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1 | do piercing | Ex 21:6 | Sang_Phleg | 112882 | ||
The greatest mistake with Scripture that the church has ever made (and continues to often make) is to take it out of context and to use it to suit their own thoughts, and their doctrine rather than God's doctrine. We must seek diligently to honor His Word in the way He intended it to be understood. Let me try to answer all of the objections together in this post. 1.) Lev. 21:5 says nothing about piercing, therefore, it cannot be used to answer the question of whether or not body piercing is a sin. It also canNOT be used to say that to be pierced is to be a "slave to the world" today. That is nonsense. However... since it was misused here, it needs explained. Lev. 21:5 refers to an ordinance set forth to the Levite Priests. They were not to engage in Pagan mourning practices - ie shaving their heads, cutting off a corner of their beards or cutting themselves. This was an ordinance that fit the OLD COVENANT, not the New covenant through Christ.- The old covenant was carried out by God through the atoning sacrifices the Levite priests would make for themselves and then for the people. People in this time did not shave their heads, shave off a corner of their beards, or cut their bodies on purpose UNLESS they were engaging in a pagan mourning ritual. That was the custom of the day. Therefore - for a Levitical priest to do any of these 3 things - it would mean he was declaring himself to be pagan. Could he then go before God's altar and present a sacrifice on behalf of the people? No. This Levitical ordinance made sense for the time. It makes NO sense today, since God did away with the Levitical system of sacrificial atonement when He sent Christ to be our priest FOREVER MORE through the priestly order of Melchizedek, not Levi. (Gen. 14:18-20 Psalm 110:4 Hebrews Chpts 5 through 7) HEB 7:11 - "If perfection could have been attained through the Levitical priesthood (for on the basis of it the law was given to the people), why was there still need for another priest to come--one in the order of Melchizedek, not in the order of Aaron?" Lev. 21 cannot be used to answer one way or another the issue of piercing. We must be true to Scripture. 2.) Jlpangilinan declared that going naked in church would be "THE SAME THING" as wearing a belly button piercing on your body if you are a Christian. - Do I really need to say this is false? 3.) EdB mentioned that tatooing (which the Bible DOES comment on, by the way) - would be an offense to God. I have to ask -- what if the tatoo is of Christ? Or the Cross? Or what if the tatoo is a Scripture printed out? When you consider that question, I think you have to decide that it is the INTENT and the CONTENT of the tatoo that may have a lot to do with whether it would affect your witness for Christ, don't you think? --- At any rate - as to whether it would offend God Himself - if a person is truly filled with God's Spirit because they have believed Christ's divinity and have accepted His gift of salvation through His payment on the cross for them. -- then when God looks upon that person, He sees only Christ. Did Christ's blood not pay for tatooed people? -- EdB - I think you may be surprised when you walk into Heaven only to find MANY perfect bodies which once bore tatooes during their existance here on earth. 3.) Matthew 5:13, 14 and 15 (again saying NOTHING about our bodily appearance)Cannot be used in this way either. This is telling us that if we lose our fervor and dedication for Christ - there will be nothing in us that gives off the flavor of Christ, thereby attracting non-christians and being useful to God. They also refer to God's light in us and how we can cover it up or dim it by not showing our love for Him by loving others and by not seeking to save the lost. - In this way we would hide God's light in us, and this would be very foolish. It would make us completely useless to God's kingdom work. - Useless for giving people God's flavor - useless for lighting the way for those who are lost. Simply that. You can study a commentary for yourself and find this out. It has NOTHING to do with our outward physical appearance! Tell me Mother Theresa would have been excluded from Heaven if she had a tatoo or a piercing (by the way, how do you know she didn't?). Tell me she would have been less effective for Christ. Tell me these things would be true of Martin Luther? Or any other truly saved Christian you can think of. -- I cannot see how you could make this argument Biblically. It will always confound me that we seek to put our own laws in God's mouth and weigh ourselves and others down with them. It confounded Paul too: "I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by observing the law, or by believing what you heard? Are you so foolish? After beginning with the Spirit, are you now trying to attain your goal by human effort?" - Gal. 3:2-3 Can Christ's blood NOT cover a pierced or tatooed person? |
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2 | do piercing | Ex 21:6 | jlpangilinan | 112942 | ||
quote "I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by observing the law, or by believing what you heard? Are you so foolish? After beginning with the Spirit, are you now trying to attain your goal by human effort?" - Gal. 3:2-3 quote. I received the Holy Spirit because of my faith to Christ Jesus, and because I receiv ed the Holy Spirit I am not trying to be his temple and to make sure that I can attain that I will not do piercing in my belly or tattoes all over my body. I am not observing the law, I am trying to obey the will of the Father. Mt 7:21 ¶ Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. If piercing and tattoe for you is the will of ther Father, it is your decision. I believed what I read in the Bible. Am I attaining my goal by human effort NO! I do it because I am "created in Christ Jesus unto good works" and I should walk with Him. I know that piercing and tattoo are not included to them. Eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. Good works are important commandments of Christ. 1Co 13:2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing. "even you have all the faith" without charity you are nothing. I am sure that tatoo and peircing is about charity. Jas 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. So you have faith, what works we'd like to do? tattoo? piercing? I dont think so! What prove do you have to show your faith? for having tattoo? God bless, |
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3 | do piercing | Ex 21:6 | Sang_Phleg | 113010 | ||
Good morning (it's morning here anyway) Apparently I gave the impression (?) that I was PROMOTING tatoos and piercings for Christians. I did not say that. I personally don't have any piercings or tatoos, and I would not get them at this point in my life either. They don't fit my personality, and I've never been interested in getting them. MY POINT IS - to discriminate against a Christian because they have tatoos or piercings? - That kind of discrimination would be extremely ugly behavior for a Christian. Some of the greatest destroyers of Christ's character are those people who discriminate against each other based on ridiculous "laws" that they themselves create. To discriminate against a non-christian because they have tatoos or piercings? That would be an offense I belive God Himself would judge us for, and rightly so! How embarassing to be caught by God doing such a thing! Why do I believe these two things to be true? Because piercings ARE NOT FORBIDDEN in the Bible. How dare WE forbid them if God does not? Remember that OldRuggedCross's ORIGINAL QUESTION was this: "Is piercing a SIN?" -- not "How do you all personally FEEL about piercings AND TATOOS?" I simply sought to answer that question based upon SCRIPTURE. -- As far as I can tell, Scripture does NOT say piercing is a sin. Period. Why do Christians love to argue? Puzzling. The Body of Christ is supposed to be a FUNCTIONAL family. We don't have to agree on everything, but tearing each other down for having differing views on NON ESSENTIAL things? - (Romans 14) that doesn't fit in with God's plan for the Body of Christ. I am glad you received Christ (and so the Holy Spirit also) by faith as you stated. May He bless you and grow you and enlighten you daily. May He make you a great winner of souls. Securely in Him - Sang |
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4 | do piercing | Ex 21:6 | jlpangilinan | 113242 | ||
We are talking about the Christian that would love to have tattoo after receiving Christ, it is not appropriate to a faithful Christian to go church show his belly with rings or show his tattoo and whatsoever. But if they got that befre receiving Christ and dont know about it what we can do. What we really discussing is those who already a Christian (faithful) I dont think they will love to have one. We are not rejecting those people that have it what we are saying is "if someone already a believer" I dont think he will like to have that peiercing in her belly. If you can say almost of the people who love to have earings in thier belly and have a volumes tattoo are addicts. So if you are going to convince me that my beloved pastors somedy would love to have tattoo and earings in his belly would be ok. I dont think so! God bless, |
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