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1 | Is this a sin to do | Ex 21:6 | EdB | 113065 | ||
Sang You read a lot into what I said. What I said or meant was I have found that usually a Christian already has a good idea of the right answer before they ask the question whether or not they can do something that is outside what is consider society norm. You then said, “If I just (as you did) assumed every time that the mere asking of the question meant that the Holy Spirit was convicting them, then Satan could just run rampant through my church doing whatever he pleased! Because he happens to cause people to doubt their identity in Christ ALL THE TIME and causes them to fear condemnation for non-condemnable things. I sincerely hope you don't use this logic when people come to you with questions!!” Can you explain to me how attempting to analyze what motivates a question opens a door for Satan to run rampant? Even if I came to a totally wrong conclusion how would that open a door for Satan? It seems to me that how I handled the question and whether I did it wrong or not would be more prone to open the door a door for Satan. Therefore before I respond to any question I seek God’s wisdom and the leading of the Holy Spirit. Asking of a question such as “can I do this or that “ does turn a red flag on for me. My first response probably would be, “what do you think?” or “have you prayed about this?” or what does the Bible say?” Before I said anything I would want to understand what prompted the question, idle curiosity, concern for someone else, or possibly they were considering such an action. You then said, “Also - How could I encourage her to override what the Holy Spirit was supposedly convicting her on when I PRAYED WITH HER about it and ENCOURAGED HER TO TALK TO HIM ABOUT IT ALONE too? Come on now. Play fair. We consulted the Holy Spirit TOGETHER. Would He not make Himself clear on the matter in response to our asking? Please. And then judge her for it? Nonsense.” I never said you overrode the Holy Spirit I said in many cases a person will ask such questions in hopes of finding some one that would enable them to do what they are considering. No where did I accuse or infer you did this. If you and this person sought the Holy Spirit then I would say you did the right thing. I never mentioned judging the person I was judging what was behind the question, that I think is called discernment. You then said, “She asked me SIMPLY because she sincerely wanted to be IN GOD'S WILL on the matter. If she hadn't been willing to hear from Him - she never would have asked me at all. She would have just done what she wanted without consulting Him.” If she really wanted to know what God felt on the subject why didn’t she ask God herself? The first thing out of your mouth should have been did you ask God this question? Her answer should supply the insight for what you did next. You said, “Are you implying that you've never had a spiritual question about anything unless the Holy Spirit was convicting you that it was sin???” I never said or implied such a thing. I made a statement of response to a specific situation or event and your taking it and attempting make it my response to all situations. Talk about playing fair. EdB |
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2 | Is this a sin to do | Ex 21:6 | Sang_Phleg | 113103 | ||
Apparently I did read a bit into what you said. I am sorry if I misunderstood you. Here is your exact quote: The fact your friend asked the question to me says the Holy Spirit was dealing with them over it and they were seeking your approval to override with the Holy Spirit was revealing. What set me off were the words: THE FACT THAT YOUR FRIEND ASKED THE QUESTION TO ME SAYS THE HOLY SPIRIT WAS DEALING WITH THEM OVER IT. and the words: THEY WERE SEEKING YOUR APPROVAL TO OVERRIDE THE HOLY SPIRIT. (basically the whole quote set me off *LOL*) I took that as a declaration by you that YOU BELIEVED the Holy Spirit HAD been telling my friend she should not get a tatoo. (a fact it would be impossible for you to know). And I was completely stunned that you'd use the fact that she simply asked the question as proof of this. I took your statement that she was seeking my APPROVAL to override the Holy Spirit's conviction to mean.... that you were saying I did in fact override the Holy Spirit with my advice. That was offensive to me because I know myself and my relationships and my reputation in the church, (Of course I realize that you do not, because you do not know me) and though I am sought out A LOT for answers to questions and for Biblical advice about decisions -- because of my reputation and because of my theological training -- no one would come to me expecting me to help them override the Holy Spirit if they knew me, which of course this friend of 25 year DOES (If anyone did, I pray they'd be disappointed). I have earned a reputation for being a person who seeks very earnestly to always be in the center of God's will, and my advice (while it could never be perfect because no human is perfect)has proven out to be accurate over many years. This is due to the Lord's faithfulness, and not my own merit. Anyway, I am sorry I allowed myself to become offended and defensive. You asked me to explain my comment about allowing Satan to run rampant, so I will. Let's please not argue about it though. I am simply giving you the clarification you asked for. If I assumed every time someone asked me a spiritual question - that the Holy Spirit must be convicting the asker, simply because they asked the question - HOW would we discern whether it was Satan accusing them or the Holy Spirit convicting them? I am talking here about DISPUTABLE matters, NOT SPELLED OUT IN THE BIBLE and NOT ESSENTIAL TO SALVATION. Do you understand what I mean? he could run around causing doubt in everyone's minds and I'd always answer their questions with: "Well, if you have to ask... then the Holy Spirit must be convicting you." That to me would be utter foolishness!!!! That would be working for Satan, not the Lord God. That is what I meant. You do of course realize how the enemy works, don't you? You do know he is the accuser. That he deals in doubt. Think about how many times during your walk when he has accused you and caused doubt in you about your identity in Christ... your freedoms in Christ... the security of your salvation. This is what I was referring to. I'm sure you understand this dynamic of God's enemy trying to mimic God in our thoughts and seeking to misrepresent Him by discouraging us with doubt and accusation disguised as conviction. Anyway.. As I said in my last post - I'm done with this thread. Sir Pent's comments are right. This is a useless debate taking up way too much space, and frankly - I'm feeling pretty foolish for daring to answer a question in this format in the first place. You guys obviously call this your forum home and you don't need any one else barging in. Take care |
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3 | Is this a sin to do | Ex 21:6 | EdB | 113126 | ||
Sang before you leave reread this thread but do it from my perspective. I expressed my feelings on the matter as you did. You then came back at me and told me where I was wrong Post Id #112912. Up to that point I never addressed you or what you had said in anyway. From then on I have been merely defending what I said against your charges. Read it for yourself it is all here. EdB |
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4 | Is this a sin to do | Ex 21:6 | Sang_Phleg | 113154 | ||
Have re-read......... I can see what happened. When you look at the order in which the responses appear on the screen -- it paints a very different picture than when you read the TIMES they were posted, and so see the TRUE order of the responses. So - we were missing - or at least I WAS MISSING the order of things and responding out of order as well. Do you understand what I mean? You've been here a LOT longer than me, so I'm sure you understand the dynamic of forum posting way more than I do. At any rate - I realize that you got some of the brunt of my responses to Jlp's original attack of me, and I am very sorry. I'm glad we have resolution now and that we can move off of this whole subject. Thank you for apologizing. I certainly forgive any offense, real or imagined - intended or not intended at all. I hope you will forgive me too. I still stand where I stood on this issue originally, but I understand you A LOT CLEARER now, and I have been reminded that I need to be much slower to speak. It was never my intent to come in and start trouble. Be blessed in all you do! -Sang_Phleg |
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