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1 | Is this a sin to do | Ex 21:6 | Sang_Phleg | 113048 | ||
EdB I would like to answer to this comment from you: The fact your friend asked the question to me says the Holy Spirit was dealing with them over it and they were seeking your approval to override with the Holy Spirit was revealing. How can you make that jump? I've had new Christians ask me tons of questions like that. "Can Christ REALLY forgive me for my past sins?" -- "Can I lose my salvation if I cuss?" --- "If I have doubts about some spiritual things after Ive accepted Christ, does that mean I'm not saved?" --- I've heard ALL KINDS of spiritual questions... doctrinal questions... questions about what is sin and what isn't. It is totally NORMAL for new Christians to ask questions about things like this. Especially since they hear so much untruth out there from other Christians. If I just (as you did) assumed every time that the mere asking of the question meant that the Holy Spirit was convicting them, then Satan could just run rampant through my church doing whatever he pleased! Because he happens to cause people to doubt their identity in Christ ALL THE TIME and causes them to fear condemnation for non-condemnable things. I sincerely hope you don't use this logic when people come to you with questions!! Also - How could I encourage her to override what the Holy Spirit was supposedly convicting her on when I PRAYED WITH HER about it and ENCOURAGED HER TO TALK TO HIM ABOUT IT ALONE too? Come on now. Play fair. We consulted the Holy Spirit TOGETHER. Would He not make Himself clear on the matter in response to our asking? Please. And then judge her for it? Nonsense. She asked me SIMPLY because she sincerely wanted to be IN GOD'S WILL on the matter. If she hadn't been willing to hear from Him - she never would have asked me at all. She would have just done what she wanted without consulting Him. Are you implying that you've never had a spiritual question about anything unless the Holy Spirit was convicting you that it was sin??? |
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2 | Is this a sin to do | Ex 21:6 | EdB | 113065 | ||
Sang You read a lot into what I said. What I said or meant was I have found that usually a Christian already has a good idea of the right answer before they ask the question whether or not they can do something that is outside what is consider society norm. You then said, “If I just (as you did) assumed every time that the mere asking of the question meant that the Holy Spirit was convicting them, then Satan could just run rampant through my church doing whatever he pleased! Because he happens to cause people to doubt their identity in Christ ALL THE TIME and causes them to fear condemnation for non-condemnable things. I sincerely hope you don't use this logic when people come to you with questions!!” Can you explain to me how attempting to analyze what motivates a question opens a door for Satan to run rampant? Even if I came to a totally wrong conclusion how would that open a door for Satan? It seems to me that how I handled the question and whether I did it wrong or not would be more prone to open the door a door for Satan. Therefore before I respond to any question I seek God’s wisdom and the leading of the Holy Spirit. Asking of a question such as “can I do this or that “ does turn a red flag on for me. My first response probably would be, “what do you think?” or “have you prayed about this?” or what does the Bible say?” Before I said anything I would want to understand what prompted the question, idle curiosity, concern for someone else, or possibly they were considering such an action. You then said, “Also - How could I encourage her to override what the Holy Spirit was supposedly convicting her on when I PRAYED WITH HER about it and ENCOURAGED HER TO TALK TO HIM ABOUT IT ALONE too? Come on now. Play fair. We consulted the Holy Spirit TOGETHER. Would He not make Himself clear on the matter in response to our asking? Please. And then judge her for it? Nonsense.” I never said you overrode the Holy Spirit I said in many cases a person will ask such questions in hopes of finding some one that would enable them to do what they are considering. No where did I accuse or infer you did this. If you and this person sought the Holy Spirit then I would say you did the right thing. I never mentioned judging the person I was judging what was behind the question, that I think is called discernment. You then said, “She asked me SIMPLY because she sincerely wanted to be IN GOD'S WILL on the matter. If she hadn't been willing to hear from Him - she never would have asked me at all. She would have just done what she wanted without consulting Him.” If she really wanted to know what God felt on the subject why didn’t she ask God herself? The first thing out of your mouth should have been did you ask God this question? Her answer should supply the insight for what you did next. You said, “Are you implying that you've never had a spiritual question about anything unless the Holy Spirit was convicting you that it was sin???” I never said or implied such a thing. I made a statement of response to a specific situation or event and your taking it and attempting make it my response to all situations. Talk about playing fair. EdB |
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3 | Is this a sin to do | Ex 21:6 | Sang_Phleg | 113097 | ||
*sigh* ok ok ok I give up. We will not change each other's minds, nor can we seem to agree to disagree... and it really doesn't matter enough for the trouble it has caused. I allowed myself to get WAY too passionate about the subject, and for that I am sorry. I feel very strongly about the fact that some Christians spend their lives chasing people away from Christ with man-made rules and regulations that have no place in the church because they don't exist in Scripture. It gets my hackles up every time. I simply answered a question biblically (I believe - and no one has yet proven me wrong with Scripture) - and the next thing I knew, I was being attacked. I should have ignored it, but no, I had to defend. That never works. God is my defense. I haven't been in a Christian forum for a long time. Nowwwwwww I remember why. Whenever someone answers a question, it takes about 4.5 seconds for another Christian to start an argument, and the person who needed the answer in the first place walks away more confused. Sorry I allowed myself to get involved in that. May you all be blessed |
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4 | Is this a sin to do | Ex 21:6 | EdB | 113099 | ||
Sang I guess I'm suppose to feel contrite, your the good guy and I'm the bad. No we can't agree to disagree this is what is wrong in the church we are letting junk becasue we refuse to call junk junk. Well it gets my hackles up when people ignore the obvious object lessons that are in the Bible by taking the stand, "well this particular problem is not mentioned in the Bible so I guees it isn't a problem to be conerned with." Excuse me for trying to show you that even if the sin isn't listed if the person's heart is wrong it is just as sinful. I've been in the forum for a long time and I should have learned by now you can't show somebody something they don't want to see. If this kept just one person from getting a tattoo or another pierce I'm not sorry I was involved EdB |
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5 | Is this a sin to do | Ex 21:6 | Sang_Phleg | 113108 | ||
Wow. Hot coals? I'm not sure. My intent was RESOLUTION -- a truce. Not making you the bad guy. I was not trying to say you were the bad guy at all. Wow. My Home Church leader has a great point when he says "email is a BAD medium for conflict resolution." You just can't hear the person's voice influctions or see their body language to discern their intent. - black lettering on a white screen is too cold. Ok... Let's try this - because I HATE UNRESOLVED CONFLICT! And because I really do agree with Pent's statement that we are essentially saying the same thing from different angles. I agree WHOLE HEARTEDLY with this statement you just made: Well it gets my hackles up when people ignore the obvious object lessons that are in the Bible by taking the stand, "well this particular problem is not mentioned in the Bible so I guees it isn't a problem to be conerned with." AMEN and AMEN! I couldn't agree more. if you thought that was what I was trying to accomplish... no wonder we are in this debate. That is NOT at ALL what I was trying to say or do. That was a complete misunderstanding. I am VERY aware that the Bible gives MANY lessons that do not need to be spelled out exactly. The Trinity would be the perfect example of that truth (although it is not a moral lesson - instead, it is a character truth about our God). I am familiar with the verses about sinning against your conscience.... and about committing sin because you did something NOT out of FAITH.... etc. etc. I am familiar with many moral edicts God's Word gives that fit issues today, but don't use the exact wording. I agree with you here! We simply disagree about whether or not the simple FACT that a person has a tatoo or a piercing MEANS they intended sin when they did it. -- Or when they are considering doing it. I believe sometimes the intent CAN be very wrong. No doubt. I just would not assume that all tatooed or pierced people were in that camp. And THAT'S what I thought YOU were trying to say. Maybe that's where I misunderstood YOU. Are we on the same wavelength at all now? |
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6 | Is this a sin to do | Ex 21:6 | EdB | 113125 | ||
Sang I'm sorry for my outburst and I want to apologize. I have felt I have been defending myself from you taking what I said that twisting and turning it to make me look like an ogre that drives people from their churches. To me it seemed everytime I said something you took what I said out of context or twisted it to make me out as an intolerant oaf. EdB |
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