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1 | Simple example that we shoud keep sabbat | Ps 111:7 | DaveDriver | 59348 | ||
I never argue. I disagree with your opinion that God would give instruction and Messiah would not follow it. If Messiah broke the Law then he would not be a perfect sacrifice, He would not have been worthy to redeem us from the wages of our sin. I don't think that you intend to say that the Messiah kept Torah imperfectly but that seems to be what you are hinting at. What Messiah did was correct Jews who were worshiping Sabbath and it's ordinances. They were not keeping it holy. There was no law for Moses and a Law for Christ. They are the same. It was kept imperfectly by man, but kept perfectly by Jesus. He put it in it's proper place, behind hospitality, charity, kindness, and feeding your family. When you mention the man who was stoned the first Sabbath after the giving of the Torah you forgot that this man was indignantly walking around advertising that the next day he was going to gather firewood and Manna. God's instruction was that if a man was found violating Sabbath that he was to be brought before a the elders of Israel and on the testimony of two or three witnesses he was condemned to be stoned to death by the leaders of the community. The requirement that he be brought before the elders was to allow for accuracy in testimony, and to offer the man mercy and to make sure that there was no extenuating need that the man was trying to meet. People were almost never killed for violating Sabbath. Just like in the commandment re the rebellious son NO ONE has ever been executed according to that commandment. Mercy was always given. Exodus. 16:29 is about not traveling on Sabbath, not about staying indoors. Imagine staying indoors all day when the only bathroom you have is out side! Traveling was quite an undertaking even fifty years ago. It wasn't restful at all. The point is that the Messiah gave THE PERFECT EXAMPLE of how to keep Sabbath throughout his life. Even if he did labor he never violated the sanctity of Sabbath therefore he never broke the Law. |
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2 | Simple example that we shoud keep sabbat | Ps 111:7 | jlpangilinan | 59459 | ||
You said"I disagree with your opinion that God would give instruction and Messiah would not follow it. If Messiah broke the Law then he would not be a perfect sacrifice, He would not have been worthy to redeem us from the wages of our sin. I don't think that you intend to say that the Messiah kept Torah imperfectly but that seems to be what you are hinting at." Did I say that Jesus Christ did not follow it, I never say that, please if you want to make a discussion dont tell a lie. You accusing me here with things that I never committed. If going back to my previous previous post what I say there that he took corns and ate with His disciples but I never say that He disobey the law of sabbath. You said"There was no law for Moses and a Law for Christ. They are the same." You are terrible wrong we Christian we are justified by law of moses but by Christ Ac 13:39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses. There is new commandment, why you said they are the same what do you think of Paul? did he lie by writing this Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: Heb 8:9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord. Not according to the covenant that given to moses it is very clear. I want you to answer this before further discussion. Did you observed the law correctly? Did you stoned to death you brother and sisters caught in adultery did you do that? If you find them gathering stick in the day of sabbath did you kill them? Are you really dont go out your place in the day of sabbath? If you did not observe them correctly, here what my Lord God Jesus say about that! Mt 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. God bless Johnny |
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3 | Simple example that we shoud keep sabbat | Ps 111:7 | DaveDriver | 59515 | ||
"Did I say that Jesus Christ did not follow it, I never say that, please if you want to make a discussion dont tell a lie. You accusing me here with things that I never committed. " I am sorry for my inflammatory remarks. What I was trying to say was that I felt like you were saying that there were two ways to keep Torah. Could I quote you from a previous post? "Are you suggesting that we have to keep the sabbath like what moses observed it or the one of Jesus Christ?" To which I responded: "I disagree with your opinion that God would give instruction and Messiah would not follow it." Your post seemed to indicate that God had at different times expected Sabbath to be kept differently. I do my best not to lie, and I don't appreciate being called such. It just feels to me like you are trying to be inflammatory. But I will answer your questions for I think the third time. "Did you observed the law correctly?" No. I can't. But I do the best I can by the grace of God. "Did you stoned to death you brother and sisters caught in adultery did you do that?" No. It isn't my job to decide who gets stoned or to do that. That is a job for the elders of the community. Please see previous posts on the other thread for the biblical reason for this. "If you find them gathering stick in the day of sabbath did you kill them?" No. See answer above. "Are you really dont go out your place in the day of sabbath?" I don't Travel out of town. Besides I don't keep any Anise in the house. I never said the Torah justified us. Never. Can't happen. Won't happen. Will never fall out of my mouth. If I did say anything that insinuated that I would be deeply sorry for saying so. That would be leading people away from the Gospel. The only thing that I ever said was NT never said that we should ignore our tutor, Torah. Imagine our parents paying for a tutor and us just sitting there ignoring him. How do do you think they would react? I said that I haven't found scripture telling me "Don't keep God's Sabbath." As a matter of fact I have found a few pieces of scripture that refer to Sabbath with positive instruction in Acts 15:20 and 21 Peter instructs new gentile believers to go to synagogue to find out the true instructions from Torah, not just the lopsided instructions that Paul's enemies (he referred to them as "the Judiaizers", "the Circumcision" or "the Law" at various times). Notes on Mt 23:23, Mt 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. Did I ever say that a person should leave judgment, charity, mercy and faith out of life in order to keep Sabbath? No in my explanation of how someone was to be punished for violation of the Torah I clearly explained that the reason for having to go before the elders is so that justice, mercy, charity and faith may be observed. Otherwise it would be like mob justice. God doesn't want you to be part of the unthinking mob. He wants you to hear His Word. He wants you to ask Him what it means and He wants you to listen to Him when He tells you. He told me to find peace and rest in Him. There was no peace in my life. I worked seven days a week. Five on the Job, one at home and one at church. You were designed to need rest. God purposed it into you. To lead you to His rest. It was a seal on the foundation of the Earth. It is His Sabbath. Not mine or the Jew's, but God's. You can pick any day of rest you want, but is it God's day of rest? The Lord lead me to sanctify His day in my house with my wife and children. He has blessed me from above my nose to below my toes because of it. That no one can do away with. Baruch HaShem |
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4 | Simple example that we shoud keep sabbat | Ps 111:7 | jlpangilinan | 59603 | ||
"You said No. It isn't my job to decide who gets stoned or to do that. That is a job for the elders of the community. Please see previous posts on the other thread for the biblical reason for this." Did you pratice that today your community or your religion. If you really observe the law you should observed it completely or my lord will call you hypocrytes! If your torah is complete then we dont need Jesus Christ to save us but because the torah has fault then we need for a second: Heb 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second. Keeping the commandment of Christ is not ignoring the law or the sabbath but observing it with a deep meaning as Christ give himself as example. The law of moses taught not to go out of place in the day of sabbath Christ taught that we can do good in the day of sabbath! You said: I am sorry for my inflammatory remarks. What I was trying to say was that I felt like you were saying that there were two ways to keep Torah. Could I quote you from a previous post? Keeping of sabbath of moses is different of what from the teaching of Christ, as I said the law taught not to go out of place in the day of sabbath, but Christ allowing us to do good in the day of sabbath. If we use a little logic if the torah can justify us what is the need of Christ for us. I am not under the commandments of the law but under the commandments of Christ. Just to give you the example that the law of Christ is different from the law of moses: Mt 5:43 ΒΆ Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. 43. SME Mt 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; De 7:2 And when the LORD thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them: I think you have now the idea what is the differences of the law of moses and the law of Christ. Christ observed the sabbath different in what moses taught to the people of Israel. God bless Johnny |
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