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1 | 4th commandment has been done away? | Ps 111:7 | Morant61 | 58028 | ||
Greetings Chris! Welcome to the forum my new friend! I haven't had a chance to read all of your posts on this subject, so you may have already covered this question. Are we free to disobey the 10 commandments? The reason I ask is simply this, I agree with you totally that we are not saved by, nor bound by the Law. However, the 10 commandments in my mind differ from the ritual Law in the sense that they represent morality, not ritual. Thus, it is still wrong to lie, even in Christ. So, while we are not saved by the Law, nor are we bound by the Law, the Spirit of Christ within us would not have us to lie, steal, cheat, ect.... So, while we are not bound by the Law, it still seems Scriptural to say that we will fulfill the morals of the Law as we walk in obedience to Christ and His Spirit. I always tell people that the Law was simply a mirror to show us how sinful we are and bring us to repentance. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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2 | 4th commandment has been done away? | Ps 111:7 | Chris | 58035 | ||
Tim, Just because one has a new desire and calling doesn't mean one will contradict everything in the old calling. If I see Christ in everyone I meet and I represent Christ to everyone I meet, I would not break many of the ten commandments. But this doesn't mean my focus is 'I shouldn't lie!' rather it is I am seeking Christ in every endeavor. The Law of Love -ie Law of the Spirit, Law of Christ- will often coinside with the Moral Law, but Pauls says that if our focus is on the Law we are enslaved again to the flesh, so seek Christ in everything and abide in His love so that it permeates through you. This is a short summation of how I interpret Christian behavior. There are other issues such as Sanctification and Purity that do go along, but the focus is Christ and His love. The problem I would have with the Moral Laws or Morals of the Law is that it suggest that we still go to the Law and hunt for 'how should I behave or what should I do' which puts us right back where Paul is in Ch. 7 or Romans. I believe a study of the Law is important for understanding how Christ fulfilled it and to glean in broad principles to more closely seek Christ - ex. sexual purity is a broad principle versus going around trying not to commit incest, fornication, beastiality, and homosexuality.- GOD bless!! chris |
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3 | 4th commandment has been done away? | Ps 111:7 | Morant61 | 58037 | ||
Greetings Chris! Thanks for the response my friend! I definitely agree that we must not be bound by Law. However, I do disagree that we shouldn't look back to the moral law for guidance. For instance, 2 Tim. 3:16-17 says, "All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17 so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work." There is an excellent pattern revealed in this passage. "Teaching" and "Correcting" refer to the positive presentation of doctrine and the correction of false doctrine, while "Training" and "Rebuking" refer to the positive presentation of how one should conduct one's life and the confrontation of sin. So, I'm in agreement that we are not saved by doing good! However, I believe (to use your terms) that the moral law will always coincide with the Law of Christ. Lying is always wrong. Stealing is always wrong, ect.... Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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4 | 4th commandment has been done away? | Ps 111:7 | Chris | 58038 | ||
Tim, There in lies the problems, is lying always wrong? I think we could find at least one time in the Old Testament where a person lied for the good of Israel and the New Testament says that she acted in faith. So to say pleasing GOD is as simple as obeying the Moral Law is questionable. Secondly, I didn't say we shouldn't look back for guidance, I said we shouldn't look back to find what rules we must keep and what we are allowed to do. There are certainly important principles as I spoke of in the Law, but for a Christian to focus on I can and I can't leaves no room for the guiding of the Spirit of GOD. GOD bless!! chris |
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5 | 4th commandment has been done away? | Ps 111:7 | Morant61 | 58039 | ||
Greetings Chris! I assume that you are referring to Rahab in Jos. 2:4 and Heb. 11:31. Note though that Heb. 11:31 commends Rahab for welcoming the spies, not for lying. There isn't any Scripture that I am aware of (Old or New Testaments) which condones or praises lying. I honestly don't see my friend how one cannot use the moral law as a rule. Are we to say that sometimes adultry is okay and sometimes it is not? Or is it always wrong? Even Paul lists specific actions which are not in accordance with the Law of the Spirit. He calls them the works of the flesh. He says in Gal. 5:19-21: "The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God." He also says in Gal. 5:13, "You, my brothers, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the sinful nature; rather, serve one another in love." So, I see no problem with being specific about what Scripture calls sin and calling Christians not to do these things. As long as two points are kept in mind: 1) We are not saved by good works. 2) We cannot call something sin which Scripture does not call sin. If these two points are kept in mind, I have no problem saying to a Christian that a believer must live out the moral requirements of the 10 commandments - not to be saved, but simply because the Spirit would never lead us to lie, steal, commit adultery, ect.... Well, I've got to run now! Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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