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1 | WHO DID CHRIST DIE FOR ?????? | Revelation | humpy | 96544 | ||
what is hard for me to understand is, how can you say that I give a one verse to all my subjects, when the bible has so many verse on the fact that God did not choose everyone in the world to save. How can you disagree with the bible. If the bible says it, does that not make it so, everyone uses the John.3:16 verse to prove that God loves everyone, but they never try to show what the verse really means. Let me just say this, for every verse that people give that shows that God loves everyone there are ten more that will show that he don't, how can you disagree with all these verses? Like take this one verse. Rom.9:13, God hates, how are we going to do away with this one verse? Please if you can, answer this one verse for one verse humpy. | ||||||
2 | WHO DID CHRIST DIE FOR ?????? | Revelation | Morant61 | 96557 | ||
Greetings Humpy! The problem is that from your theological perspective, any verse which says that God loves everyone or died for everyone will ALWAYS REALLY mean something else, while any verse you agree with will ALWAYS MEAN exactly what it says. :-) We have had these debates many times on the forum. Consider the examples you cited in your previous post. John 3:16 can't really mean that God loves everyone, but Rom. 9:13 can mean that God hates someone. Who decides which one really means what it says? I would argue that Rom. 9:13 is a quote from Mal. 1:2-5 and speaks of God's choice to bring the nation of Israel through Jacob rather than Esau, but doesn't mean that God personally hated Esau. Who is right? Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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3 | WHO DID CHRIST DIE FOR ?????? | Revelation | humpy | 96560 | ||
well then what you are saying then is that God hated a whole nation and not just one person.Rom.9:13 and Mal.1:2-5.And what about Psalm.5:5 were we are told that God hates not just one person but all those that work iniquity, surely you can see from this verse alone that God does not love everyone. And I let the bible say what it means. take John.3:16 were we are told that God loves the world, you have to look at other verses in the bible to see what that word world means before you can give your own idea. Let me ask you a question. Where in all the bible does it say that Christ died for everyone?? | ||||||
4 | WHO DID CHRIST DIE FOR ?????? | Revelation | Morant61 | 96562 | ||
Greetings Humpy! I don't mean this disrepectfully in any way, but it won't matter how many verses I produce, they will always mean something else to you because of your theological perspective. But, try these verses: 2 Cor. 5:14 - " For Christ’s love compels us, because we are convinced that one died for all, and therefore all died." Is. 53:6 - " We all, like sheep, have gone astray, each of us has turned to his own way; and the LORD has laid on him the iniquity of us all." John 1:29 - "The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, ‘‘Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!" 1 Tim. 2:6 - "who gave himself as a ransom for all men—the testimony given in its proper time." Heb. 2:9 - " But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels, now crowned with glory and honor because he suffered death, so that by the grace of God he might taste death for everyone." 1 John 2:2 - " He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world. " Rom. 5:18 - "Consequently, just as the result of one trespass was condemnation for all men, so also the result of one act of righteousness was justification that brings life for all men." These are just a few that I found by doing a quick word search! :-) Now, I have heard all of the responses to these verses before. 'World' only means believers all around the world. 'All' only means all the elect. Ect.... ;-) But, I don't buy it. :-) But, back to Esau, I wasn't trying to say that God hated a whole nation. I don't believe that Paul is trying to establish that God hated Esau in the sense that we use the term hate. I believe that Paul was trying to establish that God choose to work through Jacob (and his descendents) and not Esau, and this is evidence that God can do what He wants to accomplish His purpose of election. Now, contrary to what many argue, I see God's purpose of election in Rom. 9-11 as an expansion of Israel. The complaint Paul was arguing against wasn't that God was having mercy on Israel. It was that God was having mercy on Gentiles. Paul makes the case that God can have mercy on whomever He wants, and that Israel has always meant more than just physical Israel anyway. This, I believe, is the context of Rom. 9:13. My complaint has always been that we stop in Rom. 9 without going on to Rom. 11 where we are told that God's plan is to have mercy on all. But, I will leave me comments at this juncture. I definitely don't want to start another long debate on this topic. I have posted, as have Reformed John and Reformer Joe, many times on this topic. If you would like to read both sides of this debate, simply search for our user ids. God bless you my brother! Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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5 | WHO DID CHRIST DIE FOR ?????? | Revelation | DarcyA | 96567 | ||
Heres a little Hint when God is dealing with Israel. He deals with Israel as a nation. Thus when he speaks about other nations as a whole that nation is connected to Israel in some way. (Enemy of Israel ect.) Essau I have hated Jocab I have loved is obviously nations of Edom and Israel. Come to think of it. Israel is sometimes called Jacob while rebelling against the LORD but God still loved them. In Christ, Darcy |
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