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1 | If we ask for healing does God answer no | 1 Peter | mitchbornagain | 146633 | ||
You yourself those you listed ended well, and thats what I'm saying too brother. I am saying that even though sickness may come, even though illness might come in your life, Christ has already redeemed us from it, all we have to do is let our faith recieve it for us. Yes, Christians still get sick, just like Christians can still fall into sin, but I can assure you if they do fall into sin, they have an advocate at the right of the Father who is pleading their case, and they can repent, and be made right with God again. The fact sickness comes on people, doesn't mean God wants it to, he might have had to allow it on certain people for the purposes of discipline, or perhaps some because they did not believe he was the healer, thus making his promise of no effect in their lives. I can't say for sure what happened to Job, but I can tell you, that Job was in fear before the bad things began to happen in his life, and living in fear, of course, is lacking faith, Jesus addressed that on the boat with his disciples. Take for instance John the Baptist, do you notice that he was offended at the Lord? Perhaps he would not have been beheaded if he had not doubted God, I can't say for sure, all I can say, is that I know in whom I have believed! :) And if God gets glory out of Christians being sick, then why aren't we praying that we get sick? And then when we do get sick, why aren't we praying that our children and our wives or husbands get the same wonderful blessing of an illness such as we have recieved. Not only that, but if God gets glory from people being sick, Jesus did all that he could, to make sure the Father got no glory in this life. And you said what you ahve is true faith, I'm not going to say you have no faith, but you said true faith doesn't dictate to God what he must do.. and you are right, true faith speaks the Word, and believes God, no matter how things around him or her looks. No matter how many Christians get sick, no matter how many peolple are poor, true faith says I don't care what the situation looks like, I believe God, and he has said by the stripes of Jesus I am healed, so glory be to God, get out of my way devil because I'm the healed of the Lord! I understand not everyone recieves their healing, but the key word there is recieve. I can buy you a brand new car, and if you won't recieve it, it won't do you any good. And if you dont know I bought it for you, it won't do you any good. If people don't get their healing which has been provided by the Cross, or if they refuse to put value on the Word, then it certainly won't do them any good, and they will perish in their lack of knowledge. And also let me try to make it clear, you dont' have to have a terminal illness , or any illness for that matter, to leave this earth. The end of your life, taking your last breath, can be at a very old age, for no reason other than your course has been run. God doesn't have to send something evil, such as sickness, to bring you home. He sent Christ for that. Mitch |
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2 | If we ask for healing does God answer no | 1 Peter | BradK | 146640 | ||
Hello Mitch, Allow me to address a point in your response to Tim. You state: "I can't say for sure what happened to Job, but I can tell you, that Job was in fear before the bad things began to happen in his life, and living in fear, of course, is lacking faith, Jesus addressed that on the boat with his disciples." So, you don't know FOR SURE what happened to Job. Fine. But then you go on to state something that is simply your personal opinion- a speculation- nothing more. NOWHERE does it say that Job "was in fear before the bad things began to happen in his life" OR that he "lacked faith". These are YOUR words, Mitch. The major challenge I have with this is that you are representing as FACT assertions, NOT facts given from the biblical account! You're simply making things up. Nothing written in Job tells us he was "in fear" or "lacked faith". Do you see a problem here? My plea is for you to distinguish between speculation, assertions, and facts. Mitch, though I disagree with your view, I could at least accept something stated by you if you qualified it by saying, "In my opinion" or "I think this may be what happened", etc. It is careless disregard to claim something as fact from the Bible, when it is not evidenced from the text! You continue to do this on an ongoing basis, my friend :-( It's one thing to disagree, it's an entirely different matter to make representations as fact that clearly aren't. The only thing we know about Jobs' "state" is what is recorded in Chap. 1:1 (2:3). It reads: "There was a man in the land of Uz whose name was Job; and that man was blameless, upright, fearing God and turning away from evil." As to Job lacking "faith", Roms 14:23 tells us that "whatever is not from faith is sin." Yet in Job 1:22 we find "Through all this Job did not sin nor did he blame God." The only "fear" I see being mentioned, is that Job feared God. A reverential fear at that! If you'd care to prove me wrong and show me FROM SCRIPTURE where Job was in fear, I'd be happy to recant. Speaking the Truth in Love, BradK |
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3 | If we ask for healing does God answer no | 1 Peter | mitchbornagain | 146743 | ||
Allow me to post the Scripture which shows Job was in fear. Job 3:25 , and this is JOb himself speaking he says " For the thing which I greatly feared is come upon me, and that which I was of is come unto me. " Job was afraid things such as those would happen. So perhaps that is why, they did happen, because he was in fear, and not faith. Hope that helps! Mitch |
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4 | If we ask for healing does God answer no | 1 Peter | EdB | 146755 | ||
Mitch I was gong to stay out of this but you force me in. Let us look at Job a moment. Let us look at Job 1:8 this is God speaking and he says Job is blameless and upright, a man that fears God and shuns evil. Yet right after that testimony of God we read Job lost his children and his wealth. Let us move to Job 1:22 here God through His Holy Spirit that in ALL of this Job did not sin nor charge God with wrong. Now we move to verse Job 2:3 God again testifies on Job's behalf saying there is none like him on earth and again repeats he is BLAMELESS and upright, a man the fears God and shuns evil and hold fast to his integrity even though Satan incites God against him TO DESTROY HIM WITHOUT CAUSE. Right after this we see Job inflicted with boils. Now look at Job 2:10 Job's wife seeing his misery says curse God and die. Here the Holy Spirit testifies that Job did not sin with his lips. Now if Job had a problem with his faith allowing fear to over take him, do you think God would have ignored it calling Job blameless? If Job was weak in faith tied up in fear would God say there is none like him on earth upright shunning evil? Would God say Satan incited Him without cause? All of these require God to be saying something different than you accuse Job of doing. The book of Job was given to us to show us how a man of God stands, perseveres and overcomes when faced with adversity and tragedy. Job is to imitated not accused Sir you have got caught up in the some the craziest teaching, it is known as Word of Faith. It is predicated on metaphysics in that through faith you speak things or situations into or out of existence. This teaching has been around in one form or another for hundreds of years and every major denomination (let me add a caveat here since every one is taking me to task today), that I can at this moment think of, has a statement/teaching/doctrine that this teaching is heretical. The most disgusting and ugliest part of this teaching is they realized for this falsehood to stand they had to malign Job which they did by attempting to say he brought this problem on to himself. Yet God Himself testified that Satan incited God not Job or anything Job said. Sir let me say you wish you had the faith of Job. EdB |
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5 | If we ask for healing does God answer no | 1 Peter | mitchbornagain | 146765 | ||
Sir, I will admit that I do not fully understand all that happned in Job's situation. I do however understand the Word is clear when it tells me Job was fearful, and I know that if you have fear, you are lacking faith, at least in whatever area of your life you are afraid of. I believe I can be an unpright man, I can be righteous in God's eyes, yet still lack the faith to cast out a devil, such as the disciples in Matthew 17:14-21. Again I'll say, I don't fully understand everything in the book of Job. But I can say that I do know from Scripture, there were areas in Job's life, where he lacked faith, otherwise, he'd have no reason to fear. Mitch |
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