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1 | If we ask for healing does God answer no | 1 Peter | mitchbornagain | 146607 | ||
I can not understand how you think God CAN heal, yet that at times he just choses not to. I've adressed all these other concerns of yours in other posts, so I don't feel the need to repeat myself. You don't think God promises everyone the same thing, just a few, thats your choice to make, my Bible tells me God is no respecter of persons. And youa re like the billionth person who has said I haven't given Scripture in my posts, and again I will say yes I have. Sometimes I assume people will recognize them, so I leave out the Book Chapter and Verse, I'll try to not do that so much in the future, to clarify things for you better. Thanks for your note! Mitch |
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2 | If we ask for healing does God answer no | 1 Peter | Morant61 | 146625 | ||
Greetings Mitch! One more point my friend! :-) You wrote: "I can not understand how you think God CAN heal, yet that at times he just choses not to." Allow me to provide examples of where God did exactly this very thing. Remember Job? God could have healed him (or even have prevented him from getting sick to begin with) but He did not for a time. Why? I know that you have already discussed Paul's thorn in the flesh. Whatever the ultimate outcome, the fact remains that God allowed Paul to have the thorn in the flesh (at least for a time). Why did He do this if it is always God's will to heal? We have already discussed God's covenant promise to Israel for healing, but were you aware that God also promised to bring sickness upon them if they did not keep His covenant? Read Deut. 28:61. How about Lazarus? John 11:1 tells us that he was sick and died. God allowed him to die of sickness! Why, if it is always God's will to heal? Paul says in 2 Tim. 4:20 that he 'left Trophimus sick in Miletus'. Why? These are just a few examples, some of which we know ended well. However, if your premise is true that it is always God's will to heal, then none of these people should have ever been sick to begin with! ;-) This is the primary theological problem with this particular doctrine. If healing is part of the atonement, then it should come automatically the moment someone becomes a Christian - just as forgiveness of sins comes automatically through the atonement. However, Christians still get sick. Christians still have defects. Christians even still die! This is proof positive that physical healing is not always God's will for our lives. God works to bring glory to Himself. He allowed Job to be afflicted so that He might receive more glory. He allowed Lazarus to die that He might receive more glory. If it is God's will to heal me and receive glory, then I will praise Him. If it is God's will for me to suffer that He might receive more glory, then I will praise Him. If it is God's will that I die that He might receive more glory, then I will praise Him with my dying breath. This is true faith! True faith doesn't dictate to God what He must do. True faith serves Him regardless of what God chooses to do. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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3 | If we ask for healing does God answer no | 1 Peter | mitchbornagain | 146633 | ||
You yourself those you listed ended well, and thats what I'm saying too brother. I am saying that even though sickness may come, even though illness might come in your life, Christ has already redeemed us from it, all we have to do is let our faith recieve it for us. Yes, Christians still get sick, just like Christians can still fall into sin, but I can assure you if they do fall into sin, they have an advocate at the right of the Father who is pleading their case, and they can repent, and be made right with God again. The fact sickness comes on people, doesn't mean God wants it to, he might have had to allow it on certain people for the purposes of discipline, or perhaps some because they did not believe he was the healer, thus making his promise of no effect in their lives. I can't say for sure what happened to Job, but I can tell you, that Job was in fear before the bad things began to happen in his life, and living in fear, of course, is lacking faith, Jesus addressed that on the boat with his disciples. Take for instance John the Baptist, do you notice that he was offended at the Lord? Perhaps he would not have been beheaded if he had not doubted God, I can't say for sure, all I can say, is that I know in whom I have believed! :) And if God gets glory out of Christians being sick, then why aren't we praying that we get sick? And then when we do get sick, why aren't we praying that our children and our wives or husbands get the same wonderful blessing of an illness such as we have recieved. Not only that, but if God gets glory from people being sick, Jesus did all that he could, to make sure the Father got no glory in this life. And you said what you ahve is true faith, I'm not going to say you have no faith, but you said true faith doesn't dictate to God what he must do.. and you are right, true faith speaks the Word, and believes God, no matter how things around him or her looks. No matter how many Christians get sick, no matter how many peolple are poor, true faith says I don't care what the situation looks like, I believe God, and he has said by the stripes of Jesus I am healed, so glory be to God, get out of my way devil because I'm the healed of the Lord! I understand not everyone recieves their healing, but the key word there is recieve. I can buy you a brand new car, and if you won't recieve it, it won't do you any good. And if you dont know I bought it for you, it won't do you any good. If people don't get their healing which has been provided by the Cross, or if they refuse to put value on the Word, then it certainly won't do them any good, and they will perish in their lack of knowledge. And also let me try to make it clear, you dont' have to have a terminal illness , or any illness for that matter, to leave this earth. The end of your life, taking your last breath, can be at a very old age, for no reason other than your course has been run. God doesn't have to send something evil, such as sickness, to bring you home. He sent Christ for that. Mitch |
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4 | If we ask for healing does God answer no | 1 Peter | Morant61 | 146639 | ||
Greetings Mitch! Thanks for the response my friend! Your explanation doesn't make logical sense my friend. If healing it already an accomplished fact (as part of the atonement) then Christians should never get sick - period! When you accept Christ, are you saved? Yes! You don't have to wait for some future day to be saved. You are saved already because of what Christ did on the cross. The same should be true of physical healing if it were also part of the atonement. As far as prayer goes, I don't pray to be sick, but I do pray that God's will be done in my life. If that were to include sickness, then so be it. You mention receiving healing. If physical healing is part of the atonement, then I should receive it as soon as I am saved, not at some future date. Or, do you believe that you can accept parts of salvation and reject other parts? Finally, all death and sickness is the result of the fall of Adam. Yet, Christians still die! Death, even a peaceful one, is still the failure of your body to live. It is caused by some 'sickness' or 'failure'. A healthy person doesn't die! ;-) (Except in cases of violence, but even then the death is the result of damage done to the once healthy body) Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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5 | If we ask for healing does God answer no | 1 Peter | mitchbornagain | 146742 | ||
Yes, some people do reject knowledge Sir. We all have seen that, some people have been saved, but rejected the fact they needed to get into a Church, change some of the things in their lives, therefore they have falled back into sin, and are worse than they started. We have all seen that happen I'm sure. Secondly, Healing is provided with the atonement, just as salvation is. You said you don't have to wait for some future day to be saved, thats not totally correct. You have to wait untill the day you RECIEVE salvation, meaning, you aren't saved, untill you confess Jesus is Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead. What I'm asking is that God has provided your salvation on the cross. But did you get it at birth? Or did you have to recieve God's gift? As for Christians getting sick, healing doesn't mean sickness won't come. You can't heal anything that doens't need healed. You understand what I mean? Let me try to put it a differnt way... I can be a auto mechanic, but I can't repair anything untill someone brings me their car. God has provided healing to all, because in the fall, when sin entered this world, sickness and diease enterned this world, just as much as seperation from God entered this World. Now God, in his wonderful mercy, has made sure we can come back into right standing with him, if we will recieve the gift of salvation, and he will make sure we can be healed anytime we need it if sickness comes into our life. I hope I've made that a bit clearer for you. And for your last comment, when a person has ran their course, and lived the years promised them by God, and they are ready to go home to be with the Lord, then they can simply, give up their life. Let me try to put it this way, I can have a nice car and either wreck it, and never be able to drive it again, or finally get to the point where I say, you know, I'll just get out of it, and walk away from it, and get something better. There will come a time in my life when I am a very old man ( 120 at least ) that I will know the Lord is calling me home, and my Spirit will leave this World and go to the father. Call it 'failure' if you want, but I don't think you can call me failing, for choising to go home to Christ. What I'm saying, is that I believe someone can die, and it not be the result of sickness or any form of evil complications. Hope thats helped some Sir, Mitch |
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6 | If we ask for healing does God answer no | 1 Peter | Hank | 146746 | ||
Mitch ::: Here is an example of what I cautioned you about in my previous post to you: You write, "He (God) will make sure we can be healed anytime we need it if sickness comes into our life." ..... Now, Mitch, what I want you to do is give this Forum a Bible book, chapter and verse that teaches any such thing. ..... Mitch, you are continuing to post nothing but opinion after opinion. That is not what this Forum is about. If you insist on having it your way, resisting reform urged by your peers on the Forum, and continuing to refuse to comply with Forum guidelines, you put your privilege to post in jeopardy. --Hank | ||||||
7 | If we ask for healing does God answer no | 1 Peter | mitchbornagain | 146750 | ||
1 Peter 2:24 will show you that you are healed by the stripes of Jesus. ( I believe I already posted this one, with many others ) can you tell me how to find out a post number so I can just refer you to where I've already typed it all out instead of having to repeat it all over again? | ||||||