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1 | Hebrews 6:6 explained | Hebrews | steved | 42089 | ||
It seems these verses, Hebrews 6:4-6 (NASB), can best be explained by way of the covenant. We are are united to God in covenant by baptism (6:4 - enlightened). God deals with us in covenant, not as such individuals but as a body of believers, the church. We regularly take the Lord's Supper (tasted of the heavenly gift) and participate in weekly worship (partakers of the Holy Spirit, tasted the good word of God). To leave the church and turn from God (fallen away). We all believe that once we are saved we cannot loose our salvation. So this must be talking of the 'wicked among the righteous'(Matt 13:47-50), the people who are in the church but not really christian. |
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2 | Hebrews 6:6 explained | Hebrews | Scribe | 42095 | ||
In Context.... Heb 6:1 ¶ Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God, Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. And this will we do, if God permit. For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God: But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned. But, beloved, we are persuaded better things of you, and things that accompany salvation, though we thus speak. The subject matter.... going on beyond constant wranglings over certain... fundamental doctrines. Think about it like this.. "If a person who has known the Lord and then turns from the holy commandments to teach a false doctrine that you can sin with the body but still be innocent in the spirit and other such gnosticism, there is no use trying to convince that person of how the cross of Christ is suficient to remove their sins, for they are preaching the cross of Christ but using it as an excuse for sin. Saying that they can keep sinning and still go to heaven. This is treating the Cross of Christ as liscense to sin rather than a victory over sin. What can you do with this kind of teaching and person other than let them know they are not going to heaven. It is impossible to renew them to repentance by preaching the cross , they are polluting the message of the cross. They cannot be brought to repentance as other sinners because they are using the very answer for sin and that which produces godly sorrow as an excuse to sin. "If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame" so they propagate that the cross grants them forgiveness while they continue in their sin. Heb 6:7 For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God: Heb 6:8 But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned. They are bringing forth the wrong fruit. They are living lives that declare they are bad trees. Heb 6:9 ¶ But, beloved, we are persuaded better things of you, and things that accompany salvation, though we thus speak. So from this verse we see that the saints do not have to fear this condition because sound doctrine will keep them from such a hineous act as willful sinful living while claiming freedom in the cross. Were these false brethren ever christian? .....and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, I find it too far of a stretch to say a person was made a partaker of the Holy Ghost and then claim he was never a christian. I will have to conclude that based on this text they are backslidden and they are in danger of hell fire. Now Can they be saved? Yes It does not say they can never be saved, It does not say they will never repent it says... It is impossible for you through doctrine listed in Verse 1 to to renew them again unto repentance;.. you have to shake off the dust and move on they are contradicting and blaspheming themselves claiming the crucifixtion of Christ as a liscense to be able to sin. You should give them over to satan for the destruction of the flesh. If in times of misery they come back to the Lord and renounce their false doctrine that they can sin willfully in this life and only lose a few rewards in the next then they can be saved and they can repent. But you are not going to be able to convince them with words and doctrine (verse 1) You will have to turn them over to satan. That is my opinion. I have been wrong before :) |
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3 | Hebrews 6:6 explained | Hebrews | John Reformed | 42117 | ||
Dear Scribe, Check out www.spurgeon.org for the best interpretation this poor saint ever heard on He6:6 John |
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4 | Hebrews 6:6 explained | Hebrews | Scribe | 42590 | ||
Thank you John. I did read the sermon. I thought it was very good. Spurgeon seems to follow the spirit of the context in his explanation. I am almost convinced of his application, however I think the context about the ground not bearing fruit might indicate that Paul is not only saying that "if a person falls away completetly he would have not hope of eternal life" but that there may have been some that have. There may have been those that were once in the household of faith, who after falling away continually do not repent but instead invent doctrines to give them peace while they hold on to their addictions of fornication , pornography, alcoholism etc. I do not see this as far fetched because I have known and do know them. I know these men knew the Lord, but for many years now they have been bringing forth thorns and will have nothing to do with the church or with God. Will they still be saved? It would be impossible for them to be saved in that condition. Spurgeon sees it as impossible that a man that has known the Lord could fall to that degree. I wonder why he says that since in other articles he has made it known that he has met them. And I dare say you know a few as well. Now if we want to say they never knew the Lord at all, then I think we have entered into the domain of the secrets of men's hearts of which only Jesus Christ has been ordained judge. But if we want to say they do not know the Lord now in their continual state of many years of wicked living then we are on solid ground of our God given scriptural duty to known them by their fruits. I would rather say that they knew the Lord and now they have rejected him as Paul has stated in other passages than to say they never knew the Lord which I have no right to say. But then I do not have a "doctrine to uphold" but follow that which makes more common sense as I read and pray for light. May God bless you in your study of His Word. |
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5 | Hebrews 6:6 explained | Hebrews | John Reformed | 42654 | ||
Dear Scribe, Heb 6:7,8...For ground that drinks the rain which often falls on it and brings forth vegetation useful to those for whose sake it is also tilled, receives a blessing from God; but if it yields thorns and thistles, it is worthless and close to being cursed, and it ends up being burned. Matt 13:8..."And others fell on the good soil and *yielded a crop, some a hundredfold, some sixty, and some thirty. Jesus explained the parable to His disciples saying: "And the one on whom seed was sown on the good soil, this is the man who hears the word and understands it; who indeed bears fruit and brings forth, some a hundredfold, some sixty, and some thirty." (Matt 13:23) Therefore, I cannot believe that good soil(ground) can produce anything but what Christ Himself declared it to produce, that being an abundant harvest. Your Brother, John |
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6 | Hebrews 6:6 explained | Hebrews | Scribe | 42673 | ||
Good point. And well taken. | ||||||