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1 | Hebrews 6:6 explained | Hebrews | John Reformed | 42643 | ||
Dear Tim, You failed to address the apparent contradiction to John 6:70 from John 13:18. Calvins point was that in the first instance the election of Judas was to the office of apostle. In the 2nd instance it was made obvious that Judas was not among the others elected unto salvation. John |
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2 | Hebrews 6:6 explained | Hebrews | Morant61 | 42658 | ||
Greetings John! Evening my friend! John 13:8 doesn't say that Judas was not chosen. This would make it a contradiction to John 6:70 which says he was chosen. John 13:8 simply says "I do not say this concerning all of you, for I know whom I have chosen." The reference to "not all of you" could be a reference to the promised blessing of JOhn 13:7. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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3 | Hebrews 6:6 explained | Hebrews | John Reformed | 42713 | ||
Dear Tim, Good Morning! I really don't see any justification (except the demand of one's presuppositions) for connecting verse 7 with 18. John 13:18 clearly shows that Christ had not chosen all of the 12 and we agree that the unamed person was Judas. Brother John |
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4 | Hebrews 6:6 explained | Hebrews | Morant61 | 42756 | ||
Greetings John! Good morning to you as well my friend! I think you may have mis-read my response. I didn't say v. 7, but v. 17. My point was simply that a contradiction involves one verse saying one thing while another verse says the exact opposite - in the same terms. John 13:18 does not say, "I did not choose one of you". It says, "I am not speaking of all of you, for I know whom I have chosen." This can be interpreted in a couple of ways. 1) Your way: "I am not speaking of all of you" means that not all were chosen. 2) Or: "I am not speaking of all of you" could refer to the blessing just mentioned in v. 17. In this case, the phrase "I know whom I have chosen" affirms His knowledge of what will or will not happen to those He has chosen. For it to contradict John 6:70, it would have to say, "I did not choose all of you." I do agree that the unnamed person is Judas! The difference between this verse and John 6:70 though is that 6:70 specifically says that He chose all 12, while 13:18 does not say that Judas was not choosen. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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