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1 | josiebible, where does it say we can ask | Romans | gracefull | 92240 | ||
Part 2 I would agree that prophesy is greater than tongues due to the fact that one prophesy edifies the body and tongues without interpretation, does not. What I said was, "Look at the second part of this verse. Let me paraphrase to convey the interpretation..Greater is the message of prophesy (because it is clearly understood) than tongues UNLESS the tongues are interpreted..then they are equal with prophesy because the message in tongues is clearly understood. But what I want you to see is that Paul said UNLESS meaning all tongues may not be interpreted." Paul clearly says that prophesy is greater UNLESS tongues are interpreted..implying that tongues with interpretation are equal or at least reasonably comparable with prophesy when the interpretation is given. You said... "The gift of tongues IS NOT the only administered by the Holy Spirit at His will ... so why would Paul have even needed to write this letter of correction ... because I have already said ... they were incorrect in the application." You may be correct on this point. I do not understand this but that may be because when the Holy Spirit uses me with the gift of tongues, He clearly indicates His will to do so. 1 Corinthians 12:7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal. You said... You ask "If it is a miraculous language with someone present who know the language..why is there the need for the 'gift of interpretation'?" ... It is because the rest (most) of the people didn't understand the foreign tongue ... only a some did. When some message was spoken, let us say in the language of the Medes, the rest of the church didn't understand ... so Greek (or their main language) was also spoken, by interpretation. If there was no interpretation ... the rest of the church would not be edified. 1 Corinthians 14:22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe. 23 If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad? 24 But if all prophesy, and there come in one that believeth not, or one unlearned, he is convinced of all, he is judged of all: According to the above verses there is no indication that Paul is speaking af varying languages. He says when the unlearned or unbelievers come in what will they think? Translate:to express in another language, systematically retaining the original sense. Interpret:To explain to ones self the meaning of.2. To expound the significance of.3. To represent or render the meaning of.... Now while admittedly these two are close there is one main difference..If you speak in my language I will translate accurately, not interpret. One who interprets works as a third person..you speak, I understand because I speak the same language, then I translate to the croud. But if the message is for me, if this is the gospel preached in my language miraculously(as on Pentecost) there would be no need to interpret to otheres. If what you say is true, the word of choice would be translate..but again, Paul makes no language distinctions, on unbelievers and unlearned. You said... Matthew 18:20 does say "For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them" However, again it doesn't say more than three. Moreover, this verse has been taken out of context, by many, not just you. It is about church discipline (vv 15-20). The Lord is present in a similar situation in the OT (Due 19:15-17 My exact words were, "The gift of tongues is a different manifestation of the Holy Spirit, to be spoken where there are two or more and should be interpreted." Matthew 18 "Truly I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall have been bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth shall have been loosed in heaven. 19 "Again I say to you, that if two of you agree on earth about anything that they may ask, it shall be done for them by My Father who is in heaven. 20 "For where two or three have gathered together in My name, I am there in their midst." Actually in context it is addressing prayer. So int the future I will use the word gathered in service. What about 1 Corinthians 14:18-19, specifically the fact that Paul makes a distinction between speaking in tongues and speaking in tongues in service? 18 I thank God, I speak in tongues more than you all; 19 however, in the church I desire to speak five words with my mind so that I may instruct others also, rather than ten thousand words in a tongue. |
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2 | josiebible, where does it say we can ask | Romans | Searcher56 | 92249 | ||
Scriptute ... Matt 18:15-20 ... 15 "If your brother sins, go and show him his fault in private; if he listens to you, you have won your brother. 16 "But if he does not listen to you, take one or two more with you, so that BY THE MOUTH OF TWO OR THREE WITNESSES EVERY FACT MAY BE CONFIRMED. 17 "If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector. 18 "Truly I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall have been bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth shall have been loosed in heaven. 19 "Again I say to you, that if two of you agree on earth about anything that they may ask, it shall be done for them by My Father who is in heaven. 20 "For where two or three have gathered together in My name, I am there in their midst." The context is discipline ... tho I have seen others say it is prayer, service and other things. That would mean He would not be present unless (only) two or three were there ... He would not be there if it was just you ... or more than three. |
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3 | josiebible, where does it say we can ask | Romans | gracefull | 92257 | ||
"The context is discipline ... tho I have seen others say it is prayer, service and other things. That would mean He would not be present unless (only) two or three were there ... He would not be there if it was just you ... or more than three." TEXT COPIED FROM BIBLE GATEWAY SCRIPTURE SEARCH OF THE TEXT IN THE NASB: Discipline and Prayer 15 "(1) If your brother sins[1] , go and show him his fault in private; if he listens to you, you have won your brother. 16 "But if he does not listen to you, take one or two more with you, so that BY THE MOUTH OF TWO OR THREE WITNESSES EVERY FACT MAY BE CONFIRMED. 17 "If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector. 18 "Truly I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall have been bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth shall have been loosed in heaven. 19 "Again I say to you, that if two of you agree on earth about anything that they may ask, it shall be done for them by My Father who is in heaven. 20 "For where two or three have gathered together in My name, I am there in their midst." God bless |
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4 | josiebible, where does it say we can ask | Romans | Searcher56 | 92279 | ||
I am glad you now see the context is discipline ... and prayer is what man thinks, but since "prayer" "pray" ... is not in the text or context ... the person is wrong. | ||||||
5 | josiebible, where does it say we can ask | Romans | gracefull | 92325 | ||
Not exactly Searcher, That was your statement, ""The context is discipline ... tho I have seen others say it is prayer, service and other things. That would mean He would not be present unless (only) two or three were there ... He would not be there if it was just you ... or more than three." This text is dealing with both discipline AND prayer. The scripture actually says, 18 "Truly I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall have been bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth shall have been loosed in heaven. 19 "Again I say to you, that if two of you AGREE on earth about anything that they may ask, it shall be done for them by My Father who is in heaven. 20 "For where two or three have gathered together in My name, I am there in their midst." You said, "That would mean He would not be present unless (only) two or three were there ... He would not be there if it was just you ... or more than three." No, when scripture is rightly divided we know He promised to never leave or forsake us and that the Holy Spirit would abide in us. So what did He mean? I believe the answer can be found in the following verses.. Ecclesiastes 4:11 Again, if two lie together, then they have heat: but how can one be warm alone? 12 And if one prevail against him, two shall withstand him; and a threefold cord is not quickly broken. When two or more agree in prayer, their prayer is much more powerful..why? because they stand together and are less likely to fall prey to the lies of the adversary. God bless |
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6 | josiebible, where does it say we can ask | Romans | Searcher56 | 92333 | ||
Scripture ... Matthew 18:15-20 ... That is the context, you keep on leaving out verses 15-17. Moreover, you still have not shown me where "prayer" is in the context of this passage ... do not cite man ... cite only Scripture. I'll not listen to you on this matter until you prove, within the context of Matthew 18:15-20 ... even the whole chapter ... that there is prayer. I believe there is at least one OT cross reference (Deu 19:15-17). |
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7 | josiebible, where does it say we can ask | Romans | gracefull | 92336 | ||
"That is the context, you keep on leaving out verses 15-17." No, I have stated that these verses are dealing with discipline. You said... "Moreover, you still have not shown me where "prayer" is in the context of this passage ... do not cite man ... cite only Scripture." When did I 'cite' man? I did cite scripture, but you can not hear. The notes were my understanding of the scriptures which IS part of a Bible study is it not? You have done so quite frequently and so far you have not given scripture for some of YOUR conclusions. Such as Paul using the foreign languages on his many missionary journeys...This is assumption based on your conclusions, not scriptural fact. Where do I find 'prayer' in this text? Any two agree on earth about anything they may ASK. Asking is praying,asking who? The prayers are directed to God because He is the one who responds. This is prayer. 19 "Again I say to you, that if two of you AGREE on earth about anything that they may ask, it shall be done for them by My Father who is in heaven. 20 "For where two or three have gathered together in My name, I am there in their midst." Also, if you will notice apparently the NASB translaters agree because their 'header for this text is Discipline and Prayer. As for the remainder of the chapter it deals with forgiveness. "I believe there is at least one OT cross reference (Deu 19:15-17)." Yes, this is applicable to verses 15-17. God bless |
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8 | josiebible, where does it say we can ask | Romans | Searcher56 | 92337 | ||
Point out the specific verse and word where prayer is mentioned. You still have not. You did cite man when you cited the title for the passage "Discipline and Prayer" or the opposite. | ||||||
9 | josiebible, where does it say we can ask | Romans | gracefull | 92339 | ||
Searcher , what is the word we use to describe communication with God? Prayer? What is 'asking God? Prayer... God bless |
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