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1 | salvation | Bible general Archive 4 | Val | 198762 | ||
God has provided for what may be called "initial judicial forgiveness" and also for "repetitive judicial forgiveness." The first provision - initial judicial forgiveness - is given when a person receives Christ as his or her Savior. This forgiviness of sins is availabe because of the death of Jesus Christ on the Cross. He has offered one sacrifice for sins forever, Heb 10:12. Any sins we commit after salvation is applied through Jesus Christ's continuing work as our Advocate each time we sin whether we confess the sin or not. As our Advocate Jesus Christ has paid for that sin on the cross too so we are still judicially (positionally) perfect, 1 John 2:1; this forgiveness is unconditional. This may be called "repetitive judicial forgiveness." The passage in question John 1:9 deals with our fellowship. We are to walk in the light. We do not have fellowship with Him if we are walking in darkness. When we confess our sins, the estrangement and loss of fellowship with the Lord is restored. In 1:9 the plural word "sins" suggests that John was referring to acts of sin,not the sin principle, as in verses 7 and 8. The blood of Jesus goes on cleansing us from sin as we walk in the light. But specific acts of sin are to be dealt with by confession and forgiveness. So this provision may be called "repetitive fellowship forgiveness." Charles Swindoll, Roy Zuck, Wendell Miller |
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2 | salvation | Bible general Archive 4 | Dr. Steeno | 198764 | ||
There is no biblical support for two separate forgivenesses. Of course I disagree with your interpretation of 1 John 1:9. 1 John is a rebuke of gnosticism, it is within this context that John is writing. "If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness." In other words, if the Gnostics were to confess they had sins, then God, Who is faithful and righteous, would forgive and cleanse them from their unrighteousness. In the Greek language, the words "forgive" and "cleanse" mean past actions that have results today and will continue to have results in the future. Also, the word "all" used in these verses means all. It doesn’t mean that we are cleansed of our past sins and our past unrighteousness, it means we were cleansed of all our unrighteousness. And if God cleanses us from all unrighteousness, then we are cleansed forever! That's the way the cookie crumbles for me. The sad thing is that without settling the forgiveness issue, the sin issue, one cannot truly move on to what is really important, and the thing that salvation is all about...the receiving of life. The only thing a dead person needs, is life. Peace |
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3 | salvation | Bible general Archive 4 | jlhetrick | 198769 | ||
Steeno- Seems as though you have really gotten off to a poor start here on the forum. Remember that when we stumble we must quickly right ourselves or we'll be suddenly on our face. In short- your opinion, like my own, is of very little value here and even less so when our understanding and beliefs are not supported by scripture. Saying that they are supported is not sufficient and again, as Azure stated in an earlier post, we must always consider those readers that are not participating in the thread and may have little or no prior bible study background from which to consider our statements. I'm not sure if your lack of significant biblical reference is due to ignorance or arrogance and I hope I am wrong in both cases. I say this because many are guilty of hearing something, in church for example, and clining to it; believing it without ever establishing it as truth by testing it in light of Scripture. When it becomes an issue they find they have nothing to stand on scripurally. Then they're faced with options. They can arrogantly stand their ground. They can study Scripture for the answer (as they should have done in the first place) and if scripture supports their belief they can then appropriately articulate it. Or, and this is the hardest for most people I believe; They can accept that they are wrong and correct their theology (I sure know the pain and yet joy of that). In any case you have faild, refused, to even attempt to give sound, biblical justification for your position (whether you are right or wrong) in spite of being asked by multiple users (though you have dropped a verse or two in the mix). It's as though you drew your own conclusions about the position of others and then took their statements out of context. For example; you took what others have said regarding FELLOWSHIP WITH GOD and suggested they are saying or implying they really meant salvation. I don't find a single argument in the thread suggesting that a saved person's sin (and we all still do) results in a loss of salvation resulting in the need to become saved again which is dependent on the asking for forgiveness, which in and of itself is a work. Yet, you continue to take it there. If you are not able to see the clear teaching in both OT and NT of the process by which God sanctifies those He saves then you will miss the whole point. If you are not guilty of sin you are not in need of reproof. If God corrects those He loves then those He loves must be in need of correction. If we, having known the truth and being beneficiaries of God's grace find ourselves once again sinning, what level of arrogance might we be guilty of when we simply say, "oh well, He's already forgiven me, no need to address it, I might offend Him." (what's in quotes is my impression of what you are saying and not an attempt to quote you directly). I wonder how I might respond to one of my patient's were he to say to me that he had no need to appologize to his wife for having wronged her in some way and no need to ask her forgiveness because "she's already my wife". Perhaps not the best analogy but I really do wonder. Never heard anything like it and I do deal with some seriously prideful and arrogant types in my work. I hope I've contributed something helpful, Jeff |
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4 | salvation | Bible general Archive 4 | Dr. Steeno | 198788 | ||
I think you have misconstrued my words, or seen things that are not there or gone beyond them. Peace |
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