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1 | Please read the 8th verse as well. | Bible general Archive 1 | Emmaus | 62709 | ||
CDBJ. You said, I believe correctly: "It is my firm belief that the one spoken of in II Thess. 2:7 is Michael the angel who is referred to as the protector of God’s children. Daniel 12:1-4 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. [2] And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. [3] And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever. [4] But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased." Another passage which confirms this position is Rev 12:7-10 "7: Now war arose in heaven, Michael and his angels fighting against the dragon; and the dragon and his angels fought, 8: but they were defeated and there was no longer any place for them in heaven. 9: And the great dragon was thrown down, that ancient serpent, who is called the Devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world -- he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him. 10: And I heard a loud voice in heaven, saying, "Now the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God and the authority of his Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren has been thrown down, who accuses them day and night before our God." Jude 9 also speaks of Michael "9: But when the archangel Michael, contending with the devil, disputed about the body of Moses, he did not presume to pronounce a reviling judgment upon him, but said, "The Lord rebuke you." There is a traditional prayer to St. Michael drawn from these passages. St Michael, the Archangel, defend us in battle; be our safeguard against the wickedness and snares of the devil. May God rebuke him we humbly pray; and do thou, O Prince of the heavenly host, by the power of God cast into hell Satan and all the evil spirits, who wander through the world seeking the ruin of souls. Amen. Emmaus |
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2 | Is praying to created beings scriptural? | Bible general Archive 1 | John Reformed | 62728 | ||
Dear Emmaus, I have a question regarding your closing paragraph which speaks of a prayer to Michael the archangel. The Scripture teaches that we live our lives "corum deo" and have access directly to the Throne of Grace. Therefore, why would one seek, or even desire, to "pray" to a finite creature when he may make his request known directly to God Almighty? I have not found any teaching in the Bible that warrents prayer to a mere creature. John |
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3 | Is praying to created beings scriptural? | Bible general Archive 1 | Emmaus | 62733 | ||
John, We "pray" to other creatures in the archaic Elizabethean sense of asking for something, such as prayers. For "the prayer of righteous man availeth much," and "whereever two or three are gathered in My name and in agreement on a matter..." For example, "I pray thee Sir John, please join with me in praying that all Christians will do all they can to spread the Good News of God's salvation." It is in this sense that we ask the "saints" whether here on earth or in heaven to pray with us. Death does not destroy the communion of saints. We are all still together in the love of Christ. This is not necromancy, where people are asking the dead to come back and impart some hidden knowledge. It is rather asking someone in Christ, here or in heaven, to turn with us toward God in prayer. Have you ever asked anyone here on earth to pray with you or asked them to also pray about a specific matter that you were also praying about? If so , does this violate the priciple of going directly to God as an individual? And is not corporate pray what Christian congregations do when they pray together for their sick members? It is a "both and" understanding of prayer, not an "either or" understanding. Emmaus |
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4 | Is praying to created beings scriptural? | Bible general Archive 1 | John Reformed | 62738 | ||
Emmaus, We are specificly commanded to pray for one another! Please... I was roman catholic and we PRAYED to the Saints and to Mary as if they themselves had the power to answer prayer. I know that you will say that we prayed amiss and that is not the teaching of the church. But in reality this is the result a doctrine that is not supported scripturaly. Give me scripture first and then we can employ reason as a tool for understanding and verifying doctrine. For "the prayer of righteous man availeth much," and "whereever two or three are gathered in My name and in agreement on a matter...". It is eisogesis to conlude that this verse validates praying to saints or angels. Using your logic one could pray to old Uncle Bob (who we are sure is in heaven because he was such a good man) to intercede on our behalf. John John |
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5 | Is praying to created beings scriptural? | Bible general Archive 1 | Emmaus | 62746 | ||
John, "Using your logic one could pray to old Uncle Bob (who we are sure is in heaven because he was such a good man) to intercede on our behalf." That is exactly right John. In fact we might even have asked Uncle Bob to pray for us while he was here among the saints on earth. Why should we stop asking for his prayers when he is even closer to God. Emmaus |
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6 | Is praying to created beings scriptural? | Bible general Archive 1 | Hank | 62749 | ||
Am I wrong to think that the differences between the Protestant and Catholic views on prayer stem chiefly from the former's sola scriptura perspective and the latter's "tripod" foundation based on Scripture, church tradition and papal authority? Is this an over simplification of the matter or is my thinking totally off base -- just plain wrong? It appears to me that Scripture alone does not support praying to or for the dead. If that is the case, then I'd have to conclude that the authority for the practice must come from some extra-scriptural source. --Hank | ||||||
7 | Is praying to created beings scriptural? | Bible general Archive 1 | Emmaus | 62753 | ||
Hank, You are correct in understanding as it applies to the sainst in heaven. Obviously there is abundant scripture for asking the saints here on earth to pray for us and with us. Emmaus |
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