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1 | Dake's Annotated Bible | Bible general Archive 1 | In the Andes | 54287 | ||
To all who have read, responded, or thought about responding but didn't, I have misled you. I shall tell you what I did, why I did it, and what you should think about. I quoted a portion of a book, by Robert M. Bowman. Formerly with CRI. www.equip.org I did, exactly what he did. He quoted a portion of a book by Walter Martin former president of CRI which the bible answerman, Hank Han. replaced. He told his coworker to analize this statement. And pass judgement. Heretical or Orthedox. The response, "That's heresy" to which he replied, "That's Walter Martin". His coworker began to back off, and Mr Bowman said, "rightly so". His point was, those who pass judgement based upon what someone else has claimed heresy, cannot tell what heresy is for themselves. They are therefore blindly following PHD's ADD's etc. One person was only able to cut and paste responses completely against Ken Copeland and the faith people. But not one thing was said about the statement. I learned to cut and paste in kindergarden. Has he know thoughts of his own? I chose the name Ken Copeland precisely because of the reaction it would get. It got exactly what I knew it would. A predjudiced response. If you thought that it was heresy, you should know that the Christian Research Institute's former president, WROTE IT AND DID NOT CONSIDER IT HERESY. It wasn't very polite of me to deceive you like that, but I hope you will think from now on before you base your opinions on some books you read. I've studied the subject a good deal. Heresy is a very serious charge. The history of heresy hunting goes back several years. It began because some people seriously opposed healing and prosperity. To prove those two subjects heretical, one must prove the source is heretical. Charismatic Christians tend to be the flackiest group of fruitcakes in the church. They are labeled right along side the "heretical doctrines" of health and wealth is a popular book about the chaos amongst charismatics. And the flaky guys side with the same guys that thinks their nuts. Sad, sad, sad. I seriously doubt that the majority of people at this forum are capable of judging what is and what isn't heresy. I think my test proved my point. The fact is, in the Bible, every time there was a charge of heresy, the heresy was stated in plain lanquage so all could read and understand. Many of the goofy doctrines floating about the body of Christ are not heresy. It's just a mess, to paraphrase Robert Bowman. You should stick to major doctrinal issues to determine heresy. NOT DOES GOD HAVE A BODY, WHAT WAS THE EXACT NATURE OF CHRIST'S POSITION ON THE EARTH ETC. EXACTLY WHERE DID HE GO WHEN HE DIED. AND THE LIKE. Was He born of a virgin? Was He God manifested in flesh? Did he die for our sins and then was resurrected? Is He in a flesh and bone body in heaven? Is salvation by faith alone? Listen if you want to talk heretical...Would it be heretical to say that something in addition to faith is necessary for salvation? Baptism, works? Just something to think about. |
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2 | Dake's Annotated Bible | Bible general Archive 1 | Reformer Joe | 54291 | ||
Blast! I always miss these things! :) Of course, it is important to note that what Martin states is that Jesus did not EXERCISE these traits of deity, not that he didn't POSSESS them. Also, before you criticize all of us "heresy hunters," keep in mind that discernment is a spiritual gift and Robert Bowman himself is a countercult apologist who will call heresy "heresy" when he sees it. You wrote: "I've studied the subject a good deal. Heresy is a very serious charge. The history of heresy hunting goes back several years. It began because some people seriously opposed healing and prosperity. To prove those two subjects heretical, one must prove the source is heretical." I am not sure what you mean by that last sentence, but "heresy hunting," or apologetics/polemics, has a much more ancient heritage. Paul and John both wrote against false teachings (the Judaizing heresy and gnosticism) in the New Testament epistles. The 2nd-century apologist Ireneaus wrote "Against Heresies." Other famous "heresy Hunters" include Athanasius (who defended the Trinity), Augustine (who defended the necessity of God's grace in salvation), Martin Luther (who contended with the "enthusiasts" of his own day), and on down the line. Opposition to heresy certainly didn't start in the 20th century, although with the modern day proliferation of pseudo-Christian and New Age cults here in the United States, they certainly have their work cut out for them! Please let me know what you mean when you say that to show something to be heresy one must show the source to be heretical. Thanks! --Joe! |
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3 | Dake's Annotated Bible | Bible general Archive 1 | In the Andes | 54294 | ||
Unfortunately my playtime is over. My wife has returned for a 3 week trip to the states. So I won't be able to visit as often. We are busy busy you know. I've missed her terribly. Appearently you've got Bro Bowmans book. I'll let you reread it. He states very clearly about sources etc. I'm not critizing you. I only want you to be aware that what most people call heresy, is not based upon what is said but upon their bias. I'm aware of the history of apologetics. I was specifically refering to the last 25 yrs. As context will show. I shall enjoy reading the follow-up responses over the next day or so. However, I will not have time to respond. Perhaps something shall be said that will cause me to make time in my planner for a response. It has been a wonderful week conversing with you all. Hopefully, I shall have time in the future to visit you again. If not, be blessed and highly favored by God until we meet face to face in heaven. Then we shall know as we are known. And all of our doctrinal differences will vanish in the light of His glorious kingdom of love. In Him, Andes |
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