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1 | How do we know that we are truly saved? | 1 John 3:24 | Ray | 145200 | ||
Hi Angel, The word "controls" in the NASB for 2 Corinthians 5:14 is not a good choice. Looking at the Greek tonight, I think that the idea of the verse is that "the love of Christ holds us together" as believers in the One who died for us and for whom we now live. The idea of other passages like Romans 8 are that we are "led" by the Spirit of God. We have to be in control of our own thoughts. Romans 8:6 says that "the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace." And in comparison, verse 13 says that "if you are living according to the flesh, you must die; but if by the Spirit you are putting to death the deeds of the body, you will live." 1) Another comparison I make in the Romans passage are between verses 9 and 15. You have said that you agree with a lower case spirit for verse 9. How about verse 15? Romans 8:9, "However, you are not in the flesh but in the *spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God/ dwells in you..." Romans 8:15, "For you have not received a spirit of slavery, leading to fear again, but you have received a *spirit of adoption as sons by which we cry out, "Abba, Father!/" 2 Corinthians 5:4, "...who gave to us the *spirit as a pledge." 2) I see 2 Cor 5:4 as a match with the other two verses. But let me tell you why I choose the lower case "spirit". I do not see the Person, the Spirit [sic] as a pledge, a down payment, a promise, or as a sealant. He is equal with the other Persons. He is another Helper. Again, I distinguish between the gift and the Giver. The word "gave" in 2 Cor 1:22 signals to my mind that this is the gift of spirit as a pledge or down payment. It is for this reason that I go with a version like Green's Literal Translation which has the Giver translated in the verse. 2 Corinthians 1:21, "But He confirming us and anointing us with you in Christ (is) God, 22 even He having sealed us, and having given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts." Green has a capitalized Spirit (I would say spirit) but what I agree with is the "He" that he has included in his translation. So here I would see the Giver, He having sealed us; and the gift, the down payment or earnest of the spirit in our hearts. 3) 2 Cor 1:22, "**He also sealed us and gave us the *spirit in our hearts as a pledge." John 3:34, "For He whom God has sent speaks the words of God; for **He gives the *spirit without measure." That's how I see it. From the heart, Ray |
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2 | How do we know that we are truly saved? | 1 John 3:24 | JCrichton | 145203 | ||
Hi, Ray! I understand what you are saying... however, my emphasis is on the Holy Spirit as God's seal... Jesus told His disciples that He would send the Holy Spirit, this is our seal... this is what makes us part of the Unit: Body of Christ... the Holy Spirit is the one that guides and enlightens our beings awaking in us that desire to call God "Abba!" In the case of Romans 8:15 I would capitalize the second Spirit since it is directly referring to that Spirit which grants us the right to call God our Father! As comparison I refer to the Jesus' words in John 10:34: we are gods... we are essence of God; yet we are not gods with capital "g" but creatures made in God's image and likeness... our spirit, reflective of this relationship, is essence of the Holy Spirit never capitalized unless the reference is a direct reference to the Holy Spirit who dwells in us! I would also capitalize 2 Cor 1:22 and John 3:34... the Holy is in us not just symbolically but tangibly (as much as God can exist in our corporial bodies) and functionally! God Bless! Angel |
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3 | How do we know that we are truly saved? | 1 John 3:24 | Ray | 145213 | ||
Hi Angel, Your emphasis is on the Holy Spirit as God's seal, yet you do not capitalize "Seal". You have written, "as God's seal...this is our seal...the Holy Spirit is the one [sic] that guides and enlightens. If you have understood what I am saying, then I look for you to convince me that we should look at the Holy Spirit as a Seal. I look at the holy spirit as a sealant. Ephesians 1:13, "In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation--having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the *holy *spirit of promise, 14 *which is given as a pledge of our inheritance,..." The stars are mine and show how I see it. From the heart, Ray |
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4 | How do we know that we are truly saved? | 1 John 3:24 | JCrichton | 145363 | ||
Hi, Ray! There are things that are evident in Scripture and there are things that are not so evident... the best I can do is expose you to Scripture... as much as I want, I cannot convince anyone to see (understand) or accept (begin to understand) anything: 20For no matter how many promises God has made, they are “Yes” in Christ. And so through him the “Amen” is spoken by us to the glory of God. 21Now it is God who makes both us and you stand firm in Christ. He anointed us, 22set his seal of ownership on us, and put his Spirit in our hearts as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come. (2 Corinthians 1:20-22) 30And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. (Ephesians 4:30) 19Nevertheless, God's solid foundation stands firm, sealed with this inscription: “The Lord knows those who are his,” and, “Everyone who confesses the name of the Lord must turn away from wickedness.” (2 Timothy 2:19) 3Therefore I tell you that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says, “Jesus be cursed,” and no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit. (1 Corinthians 12:3) 16And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Counselor to be with you forever– 17the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you. (John 14:16-17) The above Scriptural passages should clarify to you how I've concluded that we are sealed by and in the Holy Spirit, the Third Person of God; He is the promise made by Jesus, our Teacher and Guide: God with us and in us! God Bless! Angel |
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