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1 | Dr. B. What does aggelos mean? | Eph 4:9 | drbloor | 171644 | ||
Dear Searcher, I can only assume you have not read a word I have written. I have not changed any words - I directed you to the original Greek word "Tartarus" to explain what was being referred to by "hell". I directed you to the examples in the Psalms to explain what the "chains of darkness" are. And I proved from Peter that the people of Sodom and Gomorrah are "reserved for judgment" in precisely the same way as these aggelos are. The similarity in their state is obvious because they are all dead humans. Please do not accuse me of changing words when I have not done that. In answer to what happened to the others, have you read 2 Peter 2 or Genesis 6? The aggelos of Peter were not spared and neither was "the old world". Everyone died apart from Noah and his family. Jude 1:6 and 7 are direct references to Peters letter, so there is no reason to cover the same issue twice. I don't understand this sentence - "Plus, if those in Genesis 6:2, how did they have relations?" You are very good at asking questions but not very good at answering them. So here's a few to start with (some of which you have already blatantly ignored): Please explain how angels can sin, when Christ told us that they can't. Please explain how the 50 men looking for Elijah thought they'd find him when Elisha had already told them that Elijah was in Heaven and, according to you, they had most probably watched Elijah go there. Please explain why you have invented a belief that they were after Elijahs spirit, when 2 Kings 2 actually tells us that they "afar off" and on the other side of the river Jordan during the conversation about double portions of spirit, and also tells us the exact reason they went to look for Elijah – that they were concerned about Elijahs safety and went to make sure he was okay? They urged Elisha until he was "shamed", not until he got angry with them for wanting Elijahs spirit! It is clear they cared about Elijah. Your claim they wanted double portions of Elijahs spirit is invented un-Biblical nonsense. In your own words, "Where is your Biblical support?" Please prove that the heaven we are referred to in 2 Kings 2 is the Heaven where God abides and not the heaven of the sky. Please prove your convolution that Elijahs letter was a prophecy and not simply a letter written at the time. Please explain why when Jesus said, "No man hath ascended up to heaven," he was actually lying. I look forward to your answers. In future, please read what I have written before you write your answers. It will help prevent you from making false accusations. Yrs, Dr. B. |
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2 | Dr. B. What does aggelos mean? | Eph 4:9 | mark d seyler | 171708 | ||
Just to throw this into the mix :-) In reference to this, there are a few ways these verses can be viewed. Take 2 Peter 2:4 "He delivered them to chains of darkness". This does not say that the angels died. They were delivered, but we don't know how. In Luke 20:36, what death are we talking about? Men die, but their spirit lives on. They only physically die. Angels are spirits to begin with, and angels don't "die" in the sense that natural man dies. We physically die, and the angels do not. After the resurrection, redeemed man won't physically die, we will be like the angels. But that's not the only death. Where is it that the unredeemed are cast? Matt 25:41 - Into everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels. Rev. 20 will tell us that for man, this will be the second death. I would suggest that for angels, it will be the first and final death. Does this help shed some light? Love in Christ, Mark |
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3 | Dr. B. What does aggelos mean? | Eph 4:9 | DocTrinsograce | 171709 | ||
Dear Brother Mark, Good observations! As you point out, there is much we do not know. However, there is much that we are told in Scripture. For those who are interested, Gary E. Gilley has a very concise systematic treatment of angelology. http://www.svchapel.org/resources/Lessons/read_lessons.asp?id[equals]2 (Replace the [equals] with the equal sign.) It is a handy reference. In Him, Doc |
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