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1 | Women and hair | 1 Cor 11:5 | stjones | 79232 | ||
Greetings, unsigned; Where Paul did write about roles specific to the body of Christ - preacher, teacher, evangelist, prophet, adminstrator, servant, encourager, etc. - he said nothing about gender. Paul wrote that our unity in Christ transcends the boundaries mentioned in Galatians 3, including gender. So do our roles and responsibilites as members of the body of Christ. Marriage is obviously a different matter because it pre-dated the body of Christ and was ordained by God for his own purposes. A marriage can consist only of one man and one woman - highly gender-specific. But nowhere does the Bible say that gifts of the Holy Spirit are gender-specific. Since Scripture does not contradict itself, I have no choice to but conclude that Paul was addressing idiosyncratic situations in difficult churches. Otherwise, his words about freedom and unity in Christ would apply everywhere but within the body of Christ. Peace and grace, Steve aka Indiana Jones |
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2 | Women and hair | 1 Cor 11:5 | Searcher56 | 79235 | ||
Steve aka Indiana Jones, You said "I have no choice to but conclude that Paul was addressing idiosyncratic situations in difficult churches" ... but then want to apply Galatians 3:26ff to us today. Churches today have the same problems. You are are in grave danger if you pick and choose which Scripture applies to everyone. I was using marriage as an illustration ... I showed that we each have our roles. While we are equal before Him, our roles are different. Also, in your reply, you didn't cover the slave - master relationship. Pastor is poimen a noun masculine in the Greek (Eph 4:11). Elders is presbuteros an adjective in the Greek (Tit 1:5) ... but notice verse 6 says, the husband of one wife ... therefore must be a man. You are wanting if you choose not to accept ALL of Scripture for application today (2 Tim 3:16). Searcher ... if you notice my name is the author of the previous post. |
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3 | Women and hair | 1 Cor 11:5 | stjones | 79255 | ||
Greetings, Searcher; It just seems so terse without a signature. :-) In my view, those who say that God wishes to silence women are ignoring most of the Gospel, replacing grace with laws that have little basis when the whole of Scripture is taken into account. Two obscure passages in two intensely personal epistles do not a doctrine make, especially when they directly contradict principles that the same writer sprinkles throughout virtually everything he has written. I passed on the master/slave reference out of courtesy. I would contend that master and slave are roles that are displeasing to God and have absolutely no place in the body of Christ - see Philemon. The political and civil obligations that slaves have to masters are left at the door of the church. If you are were to suggest that Paul is endorsing those roles by acknowledging their existence, you would come perilously close to the justification used by the the slave traders of the 18th and 19th centuries. I assume you have no interest in doing that. I simply can't find a reason to believe that Paul meant to throw away freedom and unity in Christ and put women under laws that do not burden men. But that's my reading of the Bible. If you and your church (especially the women) believe that God really wants women to be silent, I have no reason to interfere. In the unlikely event you come to my church and promote the idea, I will oppose you - as soon as the women quiet down. :-) Peace and grace, Steve aka Indiana Jones |
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4 | Does most of the Gospel say women teach? | 1 Cor 11:5 | Searcher56 | 79258 | ||
Scripture ... Eph 4:11; 1 Cor 11:3-16, 14:34-35; 1 Tim 2:9-15, 3:2; Tit 1:6 ... Indiana Jones ... so do you throw out two (there are more - read above) "obscure" passages? You said "ignoring most of the Gospel" ... now prove to me where God said that women should lead, teach men, pastor, et. al. Searcher |
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5 | Does most of the Gospel say women teach? | 1 Cor 11:5 | stjones | 79265 | ||
Hi, Searcher; As I said, I am satisfied to let your congregation silence women. In my congregation women speak because we find no reason to believe that grace, freedom, and unity in Christ are selectively cancelled in God's own house. I am content with that arrangement and have no desire to change your mind or get in a proof-texting war with you. Since you have not proposed any way to harmonize that overarching message of grace, unity, and freedom in Christ with Paul's remarks concerning what he "allows", I'll stick with I have learned through prayer, study, and many discussion with mature, wise Christians. I have explained my position and I respect your right as a Christian to disagree with it. I don't know whether you respect or even recognize my right to disagree with you. I hope you do; I have avoided this forum for a while because I tired of the shrill admonitions of people who think they have an exclusive franchise on God's truth and demand that everyone else agree with them. I hope that's not you. Peace and grace, Steve aka Indiana Jones |
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