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1 | 1st 400 yrs. "all" agreed on John 3:5 | John 3:5 | Dalcent | 134512 | ||
Mommabps, You write: Do we believe in what we do (water baptism) or what Jesus has DONE (the blood) to save us? This is an utterly illogical statement. Water baptism APPROPRIATES what Jesus has done on the cross OR in you theory 'The born-again sinner's prayer' APPROPRIATES what Jesus has done on the cross. Why is Baptism DOING something to be approved by God, and Praying the sinner's prayer to recieve Christ is not? Please, please explain to me why praying a prayer is not DOing something!!! You object to those who think they must DO something to be approved by God?? What about: 2Ti 2:15 Do your best to present yourself to God as one APPROVED, a worker who has no need to be ashamed, rightly handling the word of truth. 1Co 9:27 sounds like Paul thinks he has to DO something too: But I discipline my body and keep it under control, lest after preaching to others I myself should be disqualified. Anyway, there is nothing more certainly taught in Scripture than that faith AND baptism saves. There are certainly various sects that appeared from the 17th century onwards who teach otherwise: Act 19:5 On hearing this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. Mat 3:16 And when Jesus was baptized, immediately he went up from the water, and behold, the heavens were opened to him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and coming to rest on him; (AN ODD MOMENT FOR THE HOLY SPIRIT TO DESCEND EH?) Gal 3:27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. (TIM MORAN WILL TELL YOU HOW IN THE ORIGINAL GREEK 'BAPTIZED' HERE MEANS THE EXACT OPPOSITE) 1Co 12:13 For in one Spirit we were all baptized into one body--Jews or Greeks, slaves or free--and all were made to drink of one Spirit. Act 2:38 And Peter said to them, "Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. Act 2:41 So those who received his word were baptized, and there were added that day about three thousand souls. Act 8:12 But when they believed Philip as he preached good news about the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women. Act 8:36 And as they were going along the road they came to some water, and the eunuch said, "See, here is water! What prevents me from being baptized?" Act 10:48 And he COMMANDED (EMPHASIS MINE) them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Act 16:15 And after she was baptized, and her household as well, she urged us, saying, "If you have judged me to be faithful to the Lord, come to my house and stay." And she prevailed upon us. Act 16:33 And he took them the same hour of the night and washed their wounds; and he was baptized AT ONCE, he and all his family. Act 18:8 Crispus, the ruler of the synagogue, believed in the Lord, together with his entire household. And many of the Corinthians hearing Paul believed and were baptized. (OF COURSE YOU'VE EXPLAINED HOW THIS MEANS THE EXACT OPPOSITE) Act 22:16 And now why do you wait? Rise and be baptized and wash away your sins, calling on his name.' Gal 3:27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 1Pe 3:21 Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, Col 2:12 having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through faith in the powerful working of God, who raised him from the dead. Eph 4:5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism, Tim will no doubt explain in the arfoklopist greek sub-tense this means 'one Lord, one faith, one born-again prayer!!!' Rom 6:4 We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life. Conform to the Bible: don't conform it to your pre-conceptions. Dalcent. |
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2 | 1st 400 yrs. "all" agreed on John 3:5 | John 3:5 | Mommapbs | 134528 | ||
Dalcent - we will have to agree to disagree, I believe my salvation is wholly a work of God. I also believe that God knew before the foundation of the world that I would place my faith in the finished work of Christ. How HE accomplished the new birth in me is a Divine mystery. I agree with Tim Moran - the baptism is spiritual and again, it is WHOLLY a work of God. Indeed as a man thinks in his heart, so is he Prov 23:7 - IF you believe that YOUR performance is required for God to save, then you have believed a lie. God has given us everything we need ."The God who made the world and all things in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands;nor is He served by human hands, as though He needed anything, since He Himself gives to all people life and breath and all things; . . .for in Him we live and move and exist . . .we ought not to think that the Divine Nature is like gold or silver or stone, an image formed by the art and thought of man, Therefore having overlooked the times of ignorance, God is now declaring to men that all people everywhere should repent," Acts 17:24-30. We must repent of what we have believed - what we have "thought" about the Divine Nature - for God has given us everything we need to live - namely Christ. By suggesting that something other than simple belief in HIS finished work (ie water baptism) we prove that we do not believe what GOD has plainly told us - that HE ALONE is the source of everything, including our salvation. Those who continue to advocate that water baptism is necessary for salvation are advocating a righteousness by works and deny the sufficiency of God. As you continue to believe this lie, you will contine to evaluate your life and those of others on "performance" rather than on God - for God created by fiat - meaning that He creates out of nothing. He spoke the world into existence and in the same way, He speaks or declares our righteousness, not based upon what WE have done or do, but upon what HE has DONE! BTW, the "sinners prayer " doesn't save either - but God does. Grace and peace to you, mommapbs |
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