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1 | 1st 400 yrs. "all" agreed on John 3:5 | John 3:5 | Morant61 | 134518 | ||
Greetings Dalcent! My friend, I am very disappointed! I have been nothing but cordial to you since you have came on this forum, but you persist in being insulting to me. You wrote: "Gal 3:27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. (TIM MORAN WILL TELL YOU HOW IN THE ORIGINAL GREEK 'BAPTIZED' HERE MEANS THE EXACT OPPOSITE)" And, you wrote: "Eph 4:5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism, Tim will no doubt explain in the arfoklopist greek sub-tense this means 'one Lord, one faith, one born-again prayer!!!'" Insulting someone does not advance your position in the least my friend! :-( Nor, does falsely attributing a position to someone! Allow me to correct your mis-statement of my position. I believe that Gal. 3:27 deals with 'baptism' just as it says in both English and Greek. However, 'water' is never mentioned. I believe that it refers to the Baptism of the Spirit, not water baptism. Now, if you can show me in Scripture why I am wrong, I would be happy to discuss it. Otherwise, please desist in the attacks my friend. I have never attacked you! Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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2 | 1st 400 yrs. "all" agreed on John 3:5 | John 3:5 | Dalcent | 134562 | ||
Dear Tim, Since I have been on the forum you have done nothing but give convoluted, twisted renderings of every verse of Scripture which contradicts your evangelical theology. I am frankly appalled that you chose to pervert scripture with silly interpretations worked backward from your theological convictions. This makes you a charlatan in my book. All my bibles reflecting the scholarship of hundreds of qualified Greek scholars disagree with your "translations." Have you any qualifications in Greek to back your rearrangements of scripture. You say I attacked A.T.Robinson when I accused him of working back into scripture his baptist theology. Well that is exactly what he did; and I'll tell you when you mentioned him supporting your Acts 2:38 theory, 'Oh, yeah: nineteeth century baptist, I'll bet' popped into my head. (for your information when I studied Greek at King's College, University of London the standard text was by J.W.Wenham) Tim, I can't 'show' you anything in Scripture because you deny scripture when it doesn't agree with your sect. Just like JW's do, although thankfully you haven't produced an abomination like the New World Translation yet. You are now saying that when Scripture mentions 'baptism' it doesn't mean 'water baptism' unless it specifies 'water baptism'. Tim, I will gladly never mention you or "misrepresent" your positions on this forum again. Thank God that the men he has risen up to translate our Bible translations are capable of translating and not reinterpreting the Word of God! Note how Mommabps never addressed my question why baptism is a work and praying the born-again prayer isn't. Or how she can't understand why I think baptism appropriates the blood of Christ, and is not contrary to the atonement. The depths of ignorance displayed by some makes me want to weep for them. Dalcent |
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3 | 1st 400 yrs. "all" agreed on John 3:5 | John 3:5 | Morant61 | 134573 | ||
Greetings Dalcent! You wrote: "Note how Mommabps never addressed my question why baptism is a work and praying the born-again prayer isn't. Or how she can't understand why I think baptism appropriates the blood of Christ, and is not contrary to the atonement. The depths of ignorance displayed by some makes me want to weep for them." This paragraph is a clear indication of why she hasn't responded to you my friend. What is the point? You respond to our polite posts with insults, not dialogue. You also wrote: "All my bibles reflecting the scholarship of hundreds of qualified Greek scholars disagree with your "translations." Have you any qualifications in Greek to back your rearrangements of scripture." I would dispute that I have 'rearranged' Scripture, but I do in fact have qualifications in Greek. I studied it for several years in college and have been actively translating it for about 15 years now. If my approach to Acts 2:38 was unique or novel, I would certainly be concerned, but there are certainly Greek experts who would agree with me. Whether you do or not is certainly your choice! :-) Now, I do not have a thin skin. So, I will not hold any grudges against you my friend, nor will I respond in kind to your insults. However, I would certainly urge you to engage in dialogue, not name calling. It has been my experience over the years that name calling begins when someone can't win a debate. There is certainly room for both disagreement and dialogue my friend. Someone with as much education as you profess to have should know this. For instance, Gal. 3:27 could be a reference to water baptism, but it could also be a reference to the baptism of the Spirit. If you disagree, you should state your reasons and listen to mine. We may never agree. However, to simply ignore my position by ridiculing it is not scholarly, nor is it polite. There are many people one this forum with whom I don't always agree but for whom I have great respect. One of them is your Catholic brother Emmaus. He and I have debated issues in the past. We have shared our reasoning. We didn't always come away agreeing with one another. But, not once, did Emmaus ever resort to name calling. It is my hope and prayer that you will be a valuable member of this forum, but 'study' requires dialoge my friend. We can all learn something from one another if we will actually listen to one another. :-) Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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