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1 | 1st 400 yrs. "all" agreed on John 3:5 | John 3:5 | Dalcent | 134512 | ||
Mommabps, You write: Do we believe in what we do (water baptism) or what Jesus has DONE (the blood) to save us? This is an utterly illogical statement. Water baptism APPROPRIATES what Jesus has done on the cross OR in you theory 'The born-again sinner's prayer' APPROPRIATES what Jesus has done on the cross. Why is Baptism DOING something to be approved by God, and Praying the sinner's prayer to recieve Christ is not? Please, please explain to me why praying a prayer is not DOing something!!! You object to those who think they must DO something to be approved by God?? What about: 2Ti 2:15 Do your best to present yourself to God as one APPROVED, a worker who has no need to be ashamed, rightly handling the word of truth. 1Co 9:27 sounds like Paul thinks he has to DO something too: But I discipline my body and keep it under control, lest after preaching to others I myself should be disqualified. Anyway, there is nothing more certainly taught in Scripture than that faith AND baptism saves. There are certainly various sects that appeared from the 17th century onwards who teach otherwise: Act 19:5 On hearing this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. Mat 3:16 And when Jesus was baptized, immediately he went up from the water, and behold, the heavens were opened to him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and coming to rest on him; (AN ODD MOMENT FOR THE HOLY SPIRIT TO DESCEND EH?) Gal 3:27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. (TIM MORAN WILL TELL YOU HOW IN THE ORIGINAL GREEK 'BAPTIZED' HERE MEANS THE EXACT OPPOSITE) 1Co 12:13 For in one Spirit we were all baptized into one body--Jews or Greeks, slaves or free--and all were made to drink of one Spirit. Act 2:38 And Peter said to them, "Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. Act 2:41 So those who received his word were baptized, and there were added that day about three thousand souls. Act 8:12 But when they believed Philip as he preached good news about the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women. Act 8:36 And as they were going along the road they came to some water, and the eunuch said, "See, here is water! What prevents me from being baptized?" Act 10:48 And he COMMANDED (EMPHASIS MINE) them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Act 16:15 And after she was baptized, and her household as well, she urged us, saying, "If you have judged me to be faithful to the Lord, come to my house and stay." And she prevailed upon us. Act 16:33 And he took them the same hour of the night and washed their wounds; and he was baptized AT ONCE, he and all his family. Act 18:8 Crispus, the ruler of the synagogue, believed in the Lord, together with his entire household. And many of the Corinthians hearing Paul believed and were baptized. (OF COURSE YOU'VE EXPLAINED HOW THIS MEANS THE EXACT OPPOSITE) Act 22:16 And now why do you wait? Rise and be baptized and wash away your sins, calling on his name.' Gal 3:27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 1Pe 3:21 Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, Col 2:12 having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through faith in the powerful working of God, who raised him from the dead. Eph 4:5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism, Tim will no doubt explain in the arfoklopist greek sub-tense this means 'one Lord, one faith, one born-again prayer!!!' Rom 6:4 We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life. Conform to the Bible: don't conform it to your pre-conceptions. Dalcent. |
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2 | 1st 400 yrs. "all" agreed on John 3:5 | John 3:5 | Morant61 | 134518 | ||
Greetings Dalcent! My friend, I am very disappointed! I have been nothing but cordial to you since you have came on this forum, but you persist in being insulting to me. You wrote: "Gal 3:27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. (TIM MORAN WILL TELL YOU HOW IN THE ORIGINAL GREEK 'BAPTIZED' HERE MEANS THE EXACT OPPOSITE)" And, you wrote: "Eph 4:5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism, Tim will no doubt explain in the arfoklopist greek sub-tense this means 'one Lord, one faith, one born-again prayer!!!'" Insulting someone does not advance your position in the least my friend! :-( Nor, does falsely attributing a position to someone! Allow me to correct your mis-statement of my position. I believe that Gal. 3:27 deals with 'baptism' just as it says in both English and Greek. However, 'water' is never mentioned. I believe that it refers to the Baptism of the Spirit, not water baptism. Now, if you can show me in Scripture why I am wrong, I would be happy to discuss it. Otherwise, please desist in the attacks my friend. I have never attacked you! Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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3 | 1st 400 yrs. "all" agreed on John 3:5 | John 3:5 | Dalcent | 134562 | ||
Dear Tim, Since I have been on the forum you have done nothing but give convoluted, twisted renderings of every verse of Scripture which contradicts your evangelical theology. I am frankly appalled that you chose to pervert scripture with silly interpretations worked backward from your theological convictions. This makes you a charlatan in my book. All my bibles reflecting the scholarship of hundreds of qualified Greek scholars disagree with your "translations." Have you any qualifications in Greek to back your rearrangements of scripture. You say I attacked A.T.Robinson when I accused him of working back into scripture his baptist theology. Well that is exactly what he did; and I'll tell you when you mentioned him supporting your Acts 2:38 theory, 'Oh, yeah: nineteeth century baptist, I'll bet' popped into my head. (for your information when I studied Greek at King's College, University of London the standard text was by J.W.Wenham) Tim, I can't 'show' you anything in Scripture because you deny scripture when it doesn't agree with your sect. Just like JW's do, although thankfully you haven't produced an abomination like the New World Translation yet. You are now saying that when Scripture mentions 'baptism' it doesn't mean 'water baptism' unless it specifies 'water baptism'. Tim, I will gladly never mention you or "misrepresent" your positions on this forum again. Thank God that the men he has risen up to translate our Bible translations are capable of translating and not reinterpreting the Word of God! Note how Mommabps never addressed my question why baptism is a work and praying the born-again prayer isn't. Or how she can't understand why I think baptism appropriates the blood of Christ, and is not contrary to the atonement. The depths of ignorance displayed by some makes me want to weep for them. Dalcent |
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4 | 1st 400 yrs. "all" agreed on John 3:5 | John 3:5 | Morant61 | 134573 | ||
Greetings Dalcent! You wrote: "Note how Mommabps never addressed my question why baptism is a work and praying the born-again prayer isn't. Or how she can't understand why I think baptism appropriates the blood of Christ, and is not contrary to the atonement. The depths of ignorance displayed by some makes me want to weep for them." This paragraph is a clear indication of why she hasn't responded to you my friend. What is the point? You respond to our polite posts with insults, not dialogue. You also wrote: "All my bibles reflecting the scholarship of hundreds of qualified Greek scholars disagree with your "translations." Have you any qualifications in Greek to back your rearrangements of scripture." I would dispute that I have 'rearranged' Scripture, but I do in fact have qualifications in Greek. I studied it for several years in college and have been actively translating it for about 15 years now. If my approach to Acts 2:38 was unique or novel, I would certainly be concerned, but there are certainly Greek experts who would agree with me. Whether you do or not is certainly your choice! :-) Now, I do not have a thin skin. So, I will not hold any grudges against you my friend, nor will I respond in kind to your insults. However, I would certainly urge you to engage in dialogue, not name calling. It has been my experience over the years that name calling begins when someone can't win a debate. There is certainly room for both disagreement and dialogue my friend. Someone with as much education as you profess to have should know this. For instance, Gal. 3:27 could be a reference to water baptism, but it could also be a reference to the baptism of the Spirit. If you disagree, you should state your reasons and listen to mine. We may never agree. However, to simply ignore my position by ridiculing it is not scholarly, nor is it polite. There are many people one this forum with whom I don't always agree but for whom I have great respect. One of them is your Catholic brother Emmaus. He and I have debated issues in the past. We have shared our reasoning. We didn't always come away agreeing with one another. But, not once, did Emmaus ever resort to name calling. It is my hope and prayer that you will be a valuable member of this forum, but 'study' requires dialoge my friend. We can all learn something from one another if we will actually listen to one another. :-) Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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