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1 | Human Power? | John 15:5 | mark d seyler | 128985 | ||
Hi Doc Trinsograce and Country Girl, I consider this passage in view of 1 John 2:19 "They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us." This church of Loadicea has become almost entirely composed of those who are spoken of by John, those who are not of us, those who would eventually go out and be made manifest. But Jesus is not going to wait for that. When our Father chooses, Jesus will call out His own, leaving a completely apostate church behind, which He will spit out of His mouth. Meanwhile, in the time that remains, He knocks, seeking to be invited into those that claim His name, but do not actually have fellowship. I have never thought of Jesus outside the door bringing judgment because He wants to come in for fellowship. This is just how I understand this passage, but it seems to be in harmony with the rest of His Word. Love in Christ, Mark |
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2 | Human Power? | John 15:5 | DocTrinsograce | 128993 | ||
Hi, Mark. Thank you for the comments. At Christ's second coming He will be coming as Judge. He came as Savior at His first coming. We are told to be sober and watchful for that day. Christ Himself said, (Luke 21:34-36) "And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares. For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth. Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man. (Note that these warnings are the exact kind of snares into which the Ladoceans fell.) Furthermore, we are told that as an ultimate reward we will sit with Him and sup with Him. Revelation 19:9a "Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb." So Christ's offer to sup and fellowship with the beiever at His coming is not out of place. James, exhorting the saints, makes reference to Christ's return in the same manner... and uses the same idiom of the door (as has been noted in a former post). So, Mark, it remains harmonious with the rest of scripture. Now, regarding the Laodiceans, let us remember what Paul said about the Corinthians. The Corinthian church had really gotten itself into a real mess... I'd think even more of a mess than Laodiceans. Nevertheless, Paul still calls them saints. 1 Cor 3:9 For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building. However, in that same passage, he warns them that their works will be tested. 1 Cor 3:13-15 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire. Doesn't this language sound familiar? To the Ladoiceans Christ says, "I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire." I appreciate your comments. They were well worth a response. However, the preponderance of scriptural evidence does not support your hermeneutic. |
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