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1 | Praying for the 'World'. | Matt 5:44 | Sonlit | 163551 | ||
Please bear with me, as I am brand new to this forum and am not quite sure of even how to check if my question has already been asked. I am an 'older Christian' and have been raised and taught in the same church for 40 years. Our doctrinal statement has been the same this entire time. We have been blessed with a new pastor. He is a graduate from the Master's Seminary and I am being made aware of Biblical questions I have never thought to ask and my soul is searching for answers. I don't want to debate...I only want to learn. With this said, I came across a verse from John 17:9 that reads "My prayer is not for the world, but for those you have given me, because they belong to you." This is Jesus talking to His Father. Did Jesus know at that time who was His Father's and who wasn't? If Jesus didn't pray for the 'world', should we? Or should our prayer be for the elect only? Is it futile to be praying for someone to be saved when 'before the foundations of the world' they were already known. I use to hold on to that verse "God is not willing that any should perish" like a bulldog on a bone. But I am now being taught that that verse is really saying "God is not willing that any of HIS CHOSEN should perish" I can't tell you how this has changed my prayer life, my view of my heavenly father. It really has shaken my foundation. I will be grateful for any and all responses. | ||||||
2 | Praying for the 'World'. | Matt 5:44 | Aspiring Overseer | 163660 | ||
Sonlit, Perhaps these verses may help you. -Should prayers be made for non-believers: 1 Timothy 2:1-7 2:1 First of all, then, I urge that entreaties and prayers, petitions and thanksgivings, be made on behalf of all men, 2 for kings and all who are in authority, in order that we may lead a tranquil and quiet life in all godliness and dignity. 3 This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, 4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave Himself as a ransom for all, the testimony borne at the proper time. NAS -As for man’s ability to repent: Jeremiah 18:1-10 18:1 The word which came to Jeremiah from the LORD saying, 2 "Arise and go down to the potter's house, and there I shall announce My words to you." 3 Then I went down to the potter's house, and there he was, making something on the wheel. 4 But the vessel that he was making of clay was spoiled in the hand of the potter; so he remade it into another vessel, as it pleased the potter to make. 5 Then the word of the LORD came to me saying, 6 "Can I not, O house of Israel, deal with you as this potter does?" declares the LORD. "Behold, like the clay in the potter's hand, so are you in My hand, O house of Israel. 7 "At one moment I might speak concerning a nation or concerning a kingdom to uproot, to pull down, or to destroy it; 8 if that nation against which I have spoken turns from its evil, I will relent concerning the calamity I planned to bring on it. 9 "Or at another moment I might speak concerning a nation or concerning a kingdom to build up or to plant it; 10 if it does evil in My sight by not obeying My voice, then I will think better of the good with which I had promised to bless it. NAS The “clay” which spoiled (v. 4) was not unconditionally predestined. If the sinner turns from their evil (v. 8), God relents. God has designed man with the ability to choose. (Note that the “potter” did not originally make a vessel to destroy it (v.4), but rather it was REMADE in his hand so the “spoiled” (unrepentent)creation could be used.) Isaiah 55:7 7 Let the wicked forsake his way, And the unrighteous man his thoughts; And let him return to the LORD, And He will have compassion on him; And to our God, For He will abundantly pardon. NAS God has given mankind the free will to repent of his sin; just as we have the ability to choose the God we serve. Best regards, AO |
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3 | Praying for the 'World'. | Matt 5:44 | DocTrinsograce | 163661 | ||
Dear AO, You wrote, "God has given mankind the free will to repent of his sin; just as we have the ability to choose the God we serve." Do you pray for people to be saved? In Him, Doc |
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4 | Praying for the 'World'. | Matt 5:44 | Aspiring Overseer | 163705 | ||
Hi Doc, Yes, I pray that people come to the knowledge of the truth so that they may be saved, but targeted specifically for those that are seeking God. It is my daily prayer to be able to speak the truth plainly to those individuals and that God lift the veil which has clouded their understanding. AO |
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5 | Praying for the 'World'. | Matt 5:44 | DocTrinsograce | 163729 | ||
Hi, AO... Then are you praying that God would contrevene in their will? In Him, Doc |
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6 | Praying for the 'World'. | Matt 5:44 | Aspiring Overseer | 163733 | ||
Doc, No, I am praying that God will grant them understanding. If that is against their will (choice), God will not allow the veil to be lifted further until they repent. It is still their choice. It is like the illustration of a drowning man praying for God to save him. God sends a boat, but the man waves them on telling them God will save him. A ship comes along next and they are waved on, as well. Finally a helicopter comes on scene and the man waves for them to leave, yelling "God will save me!". After finally drowning, his soul asks God, "Why did you not help me?". God did not change his will. It was the man who stubbornly refused to choose the way provided by God. James 4:8 8 Draw near to God and He will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners; and purify your hearts, you double-minded. NAS AO |
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7 | Praying for the 'World'. | Matt 5:44 | DocTrinsograce | 163749 | ||
Dear AO, Let me see if I understand your doctrine: 1. Regeneration is matter of exercising the will. In other words, it is initiated by a man making a decision. 2. The will cannot be exercised without a sufficent level of understanding. Consequently, men must have a sufficient level of understanding (knowledge) in order to be afforded the opportunity to exercise their will. 3. Without this level of understanding, men will not choose to become saved. 4. With this level of understanding, some men will still refuse to become saved. You pray that God will grant this level of understanding to certain men who are lost. You do not pray that they will be saved, since this would abrogate their free will, but rather that they be afforded the opportunity to choose. Therefore, I must ask: Q1. If God fails to grant this understanding, is He not also preventing them from exercising their will? Q2. If God does not grant some men this understanding, is this not equivalent to rejecting them? In Him, Doc |
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8 | Praying for the 'World'. | Matt 5:44 | Morant61 | 163754 | ||
Greetings Doc! Personally, I don't worry about free will. :-) I just pray, "Lord save so and so" and let Him worry about how! ;-) Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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9 | Praying for the 'World'. | Matt 5:44 | DocTrinsograce | 163811 | ||
That's nice, Brother Tim. :-) | ||||||