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1 | Was Mary a virgin her whole life | Matt 1:25 | jawz | 47584 | ||
srbaegon: You are trying to use english grammatical rules with greek text, but english and greek grammar are very different creatures. Also regarding John 7:5, if they were Mary's children they would have had the responsibility of looking after their mother whether they believed in Jesus or not. Quite clearly however, they did believe after Jesus' resurrection, look at Acts 1:14. So if they were Mary's children there is absolutely no reason for Jesus entrust his mother to John. They are not Mary's children which is why Jesus does so. Lionstrong: It make make perfect sense to you in English, but in Greek the opposite meaning is clear. Hank: I gave a subjective opinion of mine as a follow on from the points I had made, perhaps that was a mistake. The points, however, stand on their own and are not the result of my opinion. I would ask you to consider why Mary and Joseph got married at all, since Joseph was not the father of Jesus. However, if Mary was to have a child with no apparent father, all would have assumed that she had commited adultery and as a consequence she would have been stoned to death. Thus Joseph was necessary to give the semblance of fatherhood to Mary's child in order to protect her reputation and life. It does not automatically follow that they had sexual relations as a normal husband and wife. I think it is an understatement to say that they were far from a normal husband and wife. You again quote Matt 1:25 and state that my "translation" goes against every reliable translation that exists in English. I'm not giving you a translation though, I am telling you what is says in Greek. Unfortunately, all literal translations of the text in English miss this point because we read with English grammar and not with Greek. I will quote other passages below to illustrate this point. Also, there is no mention of other children early on in Jesus life. In Luke 2:41 it tells how Mary and Joseph went every year to Jerusalem for the Feast of the Passover. When Jesus was twelve years old and they were returning home, Jesus had stayed at the temple without them being aware of it. They assumed he was with friends or "relatives" in their company and travelled a day before going back to search for him. Note that this is twelve years after their marriage and there is only Joseph, Mary and Jesus, plus their relatives. There is no mention of other children. Psalm 72:7 "In his days the righteous will flourish;prosperity will abound till the moon is no more." Does this mean that when the moon is no more the righteous will no longer flourish? 1 Corinthians 15:25 "For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet." Does this mean that Christ will no longer reign after all his enemies are put under his feet? Psalm 123:2 "As the eyes of slaves look to the hand of their master, as the eyes of a maid look to the hand of her mistress, so our eyes look to the Lord our God, till he shows us his mercy." So when God shows us his mercy, we no longer look to the Lord our God? Matthew 28:18-20 Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to (eos/until) the very end of the age." Again, does this mean that at the end of the age Jesus will leave us? The answer to all the above is no, the conditions are not bound by the events but rather are ongoing, eternal. The whole point of Matthew 1:25 is to state clearly that Joseph and Mary did not have sexual relations. In Greek it is clearly understood to mean this, there is no ambiguity. That is the "plain reading of the text" in Greek and all mention of Jesus' brothers and sisters in the scriptures must be understood in the light of this fact. |
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2 | Was Mary a virgin her whole life | Matt 1:25 | srbaegon | 47596 | ||
Hello jawz You are trying to apply logic of formal language to informal use. It simply will not stand up. If we were talking Classical Greek, you may have a case, but it's Koine. These same difficulties occur between formal English and regional slang. You refer to four passages and conclude that the answers to your questions are all "no". I respectfully disagree and conlude the answers are all "yes" for the following reasons. Psalm 72:7 -- The context is the desire for everlasting righteousness. If the moon ceases, then righteousness will have ceased. 1 Cor 15:25 -- 1 Cor 15:28 states that the Lord is subjected to the Father after all things are brought into subjection to Christ. Psalm 123:2 -- The context is a longing for the Lord to show mercy because of the great scorn and contempt they are receiving. For what the psalmist is going through, the showing of God's mercy will be the end. Matt 28:18-20 -- At the end of the age, He will not be with us because we will be with Him. Steve |
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3 | Was Mary a virgin her whole life | Matt 1:25 | Ray | 47606 | ||
Hi Steve, Jawz will not disagree with you. At least I would be surprised if he/she does. The point was being made that Mary was "kept a virgin" to the very end, however. Here is where you would possibly disagree. I think that it would be appropriate here to point out that "kept her a virgin" literally means "was not knowing her" until she gave birth. My Interlinear, Jay P. Green, Editor, reads for Matthew l:25, "and did not know her until she bore her son, the First-born. And he called His name Jesus." Here we see the humanity of Christ and the divinity of the First-born. It was her son and His Son. Amen? From the heart, Ray |
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