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1 | Is it always a sin to lie? | Ex 20:16 | Makarios | 162049 | ||
Greetings WOS, You stated: "Now, I’m not saying that there aren’t times when to lie seems appropriate." Now, we are getting somewhere. I appreciate the fact that at least you acknowledge that there are times when lying would be appropriate rather than to allow a greater sin to happen. And that is my entire point. I am not saying that there is no punishment for lying because lying is not a sin. What I am saying that there are greater consequences that can be averted if a person chooses to lie in a circumstance rather than jeopardize the lives of other people. You say, "Did Jacob ever see his mother again, whom he loved so dearly?" Where does the Bible even mention that Rebekah died as a consequence of Jacob's deception? Jacob eventually met his brother, and Esau did not kill him at that time. Laban was dishonest, yes, but God did not strike him down. You state, "His family was torn by dissension" and "His brother became the founder of an enemy nation" and "He was exiled from his family for years".. These situations were not a result of Jacob's deception in Genesis 27. And you state, "And imagine, according to Genesis 25:23, he would have received the birthright anyway. His deceitfulness wasn’t even necessary. Ponder this, how different could this world possibly be had Jacob and his mother waited for God to work things His way instead of taking matters into their own hands?" Perhaps so, but that is only speculation since we know what the Bible says how the events happened. WOS, I appreciate your arguments, but I cannot be convinced on this subject. Blessings to you, Makarios |
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2 | Is it always a sin to lie? | Ex 20:16 | Wild Olive Shoot | 162055 | ||
Makarios, Please do not twist my words. I never said there are times when lying is appropriate. I said: “Now, I’m not saying that there aren’t times when to lie seems appropriate.” “SEEMS” appropriate, that is in our eyes and in our thinking. I never said Rebekah died as a result of Jacob’s deception. I said: “Did Jacob ever see his mother again, whom he loved so dearly?” And the answer to that is no he did not. Concerning the rest of what I stated pertaining to Jacob and his deception, you asked if I could find mention of Jacob being punished for his act. Those I pointed out were a direct result of his act, those don’t seem like rewards to me. And they are a direct result of his deception. Had he not deceived, he would have had no reason to leave and fear for his life, thereby avoiding much of what had happened. I clearly see the lesson of the consequences of deception and lying with Jacob, not rewards. The question of this thread is it always a sin to lie. Yes it is. I never intended to imply that we don’t, only that God does not and cannot reward sin (lies) but can use the consequences to His eternal purpose. I don’t intend to convince you otherwise. My only intent was to point out that a lie is a sin and always is in the eyes of God. In our minds we may see benefit from lying but that doesn’t in any way, shape or form make it acceptable to God. WOS |
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3 | Is it always a sin to lie? | Ex 20:16 | Makarios | 162070 | ||
Greetings WOS, I am not trying to twist your words. I am simply attempting to re-explain myself over again. I simply do not see what you are getting at by mentioning Jacob and Rebekah. Has it ever occurred to you that perhaps God knew beforehand that Jacob would deceive Isaac and Esau long before he was ever born, and chose to bless him anyway? If that is so, if God did, in fact, know that Jacob would deceive Isaac, but chose to bless him anyway, even choosing to rename him "Israel", then why did God do that instead of punishing him for his lie? --Makarios |
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4 | Is it always a sin to lie? | Ex 20:16 | Wild Olive Shoot | 162077 | ||
Makarios, I spoke of Jacob only because you asked me to. You asked: “Was the fact that Moses lived to help deliver Israel from the Egyptians an example of misery, loss and judgment? Was Jacob not blessed by the Lord in Genesis 27? And can you find any mention in all of Genesis of Jacob being 'punished' for his lie?” I know God knew what would happen. But I’m confident that Jacob (Israel) was justified by faith and not any one act that he did and that yes, he was chosen by God long before he did any of those things. But again Makarios, Jacob, as well as the midwives concerning the Hebrew woman giving birth, were looked upon favorably because of their faith, in spite of what they did, not because of what they did. Since we now seem to be running in circles, can we agree to leave this debate? WOS |
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5 | Is it always a sin to lie? | Ex 20:16 | Makarios | 162079 | ||
Greetings WOS, Yes, we can leave this debate, and I apologize if I have been sharp, or rude, or difficult. I am good with presenting facts and reasoning, but I am not always so good at arguing a specific point of view for a long length of time, even though I am trying to do well. :) Thank you for your patience with me! Blessings to you, Makarios |
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