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1 | God's people's land? | 2 Chr 7:14 | leabeater | 17299 | ||
Your reply belies your objection. You understand something of the Old Testament. Why? If the Old Testament is narrowly confined to a national/racial/ethnic group then why do you read it? If our approach to the Bible is overly compartmentalized then we find ourselves questioning doctrines such as the blood atonement (without faith in which no man is saved whether ancient or modern). 1 John 3:4 is New Testament doctrine, "...sin is the transgression of the law." Do we relegate the law to only the Old Testament? No. We are not "to die to the law" (Rom. 7:4) with our regard to its moral demands. We are dead to the law's lorship over us and remarried to the Lord of that law, Jesus Christ, who bore the penalties of that law (Rom. 7:1-7). Speaking of Old Testament law breakers Paul admonishes, "Now these things happened to them as an example, and they were written for our instruction..." 1 Cor. 10:9. Our instruction? Will we object, "But Paul, those were Old Testament Israelites"? Yes, Israel is not the church. But even this distinction, if overly drawn, is frought with hermaneutical hazards which I am not willing to cross. "All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness;" 2 Tim. 3:16. I looked up the word "All" in Greek. It means "all." So, to answer your question directly, yes. The historical context was to Israel dwelling in Israel. But the semantic meaning far transcends its immediate historical parameters and gives to God's people today a hope that provides guidance to our present national crisis. |
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2 | God's people's land? | 2 Chr 7:14 | Searcher56 | 17448 | ||
John, are you saying this verse applies to the church or any other group? Steve | ||||||
3 | God's people's land? | 2 Chr 7:14 | leabeater | 17452 | ||
Yes, it does apply to the church. One of the most spiritually crippling contagions of the church today is an interpretive method which dismisses much of the Old Testament and relegates it to an irrelevent status. This was not the position of Christ, the position of the apostolic company or the position of non-apostolic New Testament authors. The Old Testament is not simply an interesting historical document addressing questions of origins and geneological tables. It is inspired Scripture, it is doctrinal teaching and profitable for our instruction (cf. 2Ti. 3:16). There are literally thousands of direct quotations and allusions to the Old Testament in the New. Why? To the New Testament writers the Old Testament was preparatory to the New. To them it was essential to the New. The first century church fed on the Old Testament and what few epistles (if any) that were available to them. Matthew, the first book of the New Testament, begins with (of all things) an "Old Testament" geneological table. Why? Matthew, inspired by the Holy Spirit, saw the most intimate connection between Messianic promises of the Old as necessary for their counterpart fulfillment in the New. But this goes much deeper than prophetic passages. The foundation of our atonement rests on Old Testament doctrines such as that found in Lev. 17:11. I've just touched the tip of an iceberg here. There is so much more. Let me just end with this. Do you read your Bible through in a year? If you do you will find that you are steeped in the Old Testament until mid October. In the 1995 version of the NAS 23,090 verses are in the Old Testament. 8,012 are in the New. Why did God put so much of what He had to say to us in the Old Testament? John |
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4 | God's people's land? | 2 Chr 7:14 | Searcher56 | 17454 | ||
John, Then how does the context of the passage fit? It does not fit the church. Steve | ||||||
5 | God's people's land? | 2 Chr 7:14 | leabeater | 17463 | ||
Church. Somehow that word keeps cropping up. OK, let's look at this another way. Question 1: Would you fellowship with Abraham in glory and profit from it? Is Abraham's faith fundamentally different from yours (Rom. 4)? Question 2: Is the God of the Old Testament the God of the New Testament (Mal. 3:6)? Does the immutability of God operate only in context? Context is determinative of word meaning. But I submit that you do not use the "rules" of language in everyday conversation in the way you are trying to apply it to your Bible. For example, when you talk about "praying" you do not attempt to distinguish between its meaning today and prayer 3 millennia ago. Question 3: Does Old Testament inspiration equal New Testament inspiration? The Mind that authored our Bible assures us that it is profitable (2 Tim. 3:16). Tell me, what profit does this passage offer to you? How do you read it? John |
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6 | God's people's land? | 2 Chr 7:14 | Searcher56 | 17465 | ||
John, CONTEXT is important. Read it then decide, if this is (not) for the church. Verse 13 ... has there been no rain? Verse 14 ... do the Christians have a land? Verse 15 ... are we in Jerusalem or the Temple? Verse 16 ... has God consentrated a place other than Israel? You still haven't answered these questions, so I'll wait to answer yours. Steve |
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