Subject: Where should I turn?????? |
Bible Note: Just what exactly is your problem with my post Mark ? You speak as though I have somehow denigrated the word and am "deluded". You say, "It would be hard to argue that the Bible was written in the last 100 years, and yet some of the prophetic fulfillments have occured in the last 100 years." It would be ludicrous to argue this and the prophecies you refer to may be explained away by other things. It's all in the interpretation of it. "The Septuagint is well substantiated as being complete prior to 250 BC, yet it prophesied much that was not fulfilled until later." The Septuagint is the greek translation of the hebrew scriptures - why do you refer to this rather than the original hebrew text ? What is your point ? "If you wish to ignore these things, you will ignore whatever else you choose to. You can call the Bible false, yet if you don't accept that there is a nation called Israel, you are seriously deluded. If you choose to ignore that the Bible said there would be an Israel, you are willfully ingorant. I do not know of any way to debate or convince the wilfully ignorant." If you are speaking this to me then you are way off base, and if so I'll assume that you yourself are being wilfully ignorant. "I am aware of the so-called "higher criticism", but there is a deeper problem that this covers up. Our relationship with God is a matter of the spirit, and of the heart." No kidding. You see here you go again. Besides, our relationship with God starts in the reason. Or are you saying that faith is unreasonable and to know God exists etc. one must make the proverbial "leap in the dark" without logical foundations upon which to believe ? There is no need for leaps in the dark. God and the bible are totally reasonable and understandable. Sure it's "not with the mind a man believes" but you can't believe if you have no brains! You have to understand some basic facts 1st otherwise why does God say, "Come let us reason together" ? If there were no need for logical proofs then why did God give them ? Act 1:3 "...to whom He also presented Himself living after His suffering by many infallible proofs, being seen by them through forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God" The whole bible can be viewed as God's testimony to man of His reasonableness and willingness to provide valid reasons for what He does. The book of Romans is largely an excercise in reason and logic. You are arguing with me for no reason, over things that you do not seem to fully understand yourself. You say, "You can argue and debate with a man until the cows come home, but unless he wants to believe, he won't." So ? What is the point ? Everyone knows this. However before you'll get a man to want to believe you have to show him the truth with logical proofs! Preaching would do nothing at all if what you preached were mere unproveable garbage. You can preach as you say til the cows come home and no one will listen unless what you say can be proven. Obviously you don't like what I said or you didn't understand it. The point is that logic is from God my friend, and reason is part of the image of God. Perhaps if you spent a little more time, with a lot more reason, speaking to the rebellious unbeliever they would end up seeing the truth. |