Subject: Where should I turn?????? |
Bible Note: Thanks Mark for your feedback. I don't think you quite understood my position. Circular reasoning or begging the question, is the practice of assuming something, in order to prove the very thing that you assumed. One assumes that proposition A is true, and then uses proposition A (directly or indirectly) to prove that proposition A is true. It is "The fallacy of founding a conclusion on a basis that itself needs to be proven." ex. 'The Bible is infallible - this bible verse says so!' The reason I say that is because I've done hundreds of debates with atheists who do not believe in God and therefore certainly not the bible or vice versa. If you try to prove God exists based on a book that a person does not believe is from God, you get nowhere real fast and make a fool of yourself on the journey. Your arguments become circular reasonings. You must first prove that the bible does in fact contain many statements that could not have been written by any human. This is far more difficult to do these days than you appear to believe. You must prove it was in fact, communicated to men by God. Of course it can be done but is extremely difficult and time consuming. There are a 1000 sites out there claiming the bible is a book of myths, legends and some history with a ton of flaws and contradictions. So trying to prove God's existence from the bible, to them, is a joke. In fact most of the arguments used by atheists these days were given to them by evil and phoney supposed chritians! With a thing called "higher criticism" - they've done their worst to demolish the bible's authenticity and they have turned millions away from it. If you are not familiar with "higher crticism", "form criticism" etc., you won't believe what you're up against - it all sounds so reasonable but is nothing more than subtle, concocted sophisms meant to lead men away from the bible and God. You say,"The only One that can declare from the beginning the things that shall be in the future is the One..." But you base this on a verse in the bible - a book that your antagonist does not believe in - which you say is from God. So this is circular - you say only the God of the bible can do this, but the 'this' in question is from a book your opponent doesn't believe in!! Can you see that? You say, "Any study of the prophetic passages of Scripture will quickly reveal that God is Who He says He is, because only God can do this." But an unbeliever may respond, "Those passages are not prophetic at all as they were proven to have been written after the events in question" What would you answer? Exactly! You would be up for a long search for proof that these verses were indeed written before the events they describe. You would also find it long and hard doing so! Yes you can do it, but it's too much for a mere forum and what if the antagonist does not believe your references? See what I mean? Saying, "God exists because the bible says so" is useless to anyone who doesn't believe in God and therefore not in the bible! ;-) |