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Bible Note: Truthfinder, “.......The scriptures that you give show the deity of the Lord Jesus Christ........ When you say "deity" of the Lord Jesus Christ do you mean Jesus is a mighty spirit being that has been given all authority in the universe and was maker of both the angels in heaven and material universe eons of time ago? Well certainly, I totally agree. “ No, He was not “given” all authority, He already had it throughout eternity. He was not created. You confuse scripture that refers to His incarnation or resurrection with His pre-incarnate existence. The Word laid aside His power for the incarnation. “But if you mean that our Lord Jesus is the God that Jesus told Satan at Mat. 4:10 you must render sacred service that I will have to agree with Jesus and not you. “ 10Then Jesus said to him, "Away with you,[4] Satan! For it is written, "You shall worship the LORD your God, and Him only you shall serve."'[Deuteronomy 6:13 You shall fear the LORD your God and serve Him, and shall take oaths in His name. ] “Yes, the deity of Christ must be relative, otherwise the ransom sacrifice is nullified, Jesus really is not God's "only-begotten son", and each time Jesus called his Father "God" was meaningless. Can you imagine the Father ever saying, "My God" in reference to his son? I can't and don't think any reasonable person would. “ Mark 12:36 For David himself said by the Holy Spirit: "The LORD said to my Lord, "Sit at My right hand, Till I make Your enemies Your footstool."'[12:36 Psalm 110:1] “…But if he had been Almighty God himself then where is the love of offering himself on behalf of mankind. No he offered his beloved "son" as a ransom for "all". “ “No greater dishonor can be done to our heavenly Father than to take his beloved name out of his Holy Book as most "modern" translations have done so as to mislead its readers to believing that He and His Son are one and the same. Don't you get it? That was the reason Jehovah was originally in his Holy Word. If he didn't want it in there why did he put it there 7,000 times. No one on this forum has answered that question since I periodically ask it over the past 6 months. Why do so many people who call themselves "Christian" even dispise God's name Jehovah? Many even say that Jehovah isn't his name because we don't know how it was pronounced in Hebrew! What a copout. They readily use all the other names in their English for, including Jesus! So, you see Pastor Glenn, I believe the Word of God and I believe it when it says Jehovah is the Almighty God and his Son is not Almighty God but indeed his Son. Truthfinder” OK Truthfinder, I’ll accept “Jehovah” as God’s name. Let’s also keep the NWT. I believe in the Trinity because the Bible teaches the doctrine. It does so not by using the specific word "Trinity," but by teaching the three pillars that make up the doctrine: First, that there is only one true God, Jehovah, Creator of all things. Surely you agree with me there. Next, that there are three divine Persons, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. I realize you do not believe the Holy Spirit is a person, but you do agree that the Father and the Son are not the same person, correct? Finally, the third pillar, the point on which we are in direct disagreement, is the Bible’s teaching of the full equality of these divine persons. This would include the deity of Christ and the personality of the Holy Spirit. It is important not to misunderstand me. We are not asserting that there are three “persons” that are one person, nor that there are three “beings” that are one being. We are differentiating between the terms “being” and “person“. All things have being, but only God, humans, and angels are personal. I as a human being am one person, Eugene Glenn. My “being” makes me human, my personality differentiates me from all other human beings. Since my “being” is finite and limited, only one “person” can properly subsist in it, namely, me. But since God’s “being” is infinite and unlimited, it can be, and is, shared by three persons, the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Can I illustrate this from Scripture? Since you believe the Trinity is a false doctrine derived from Greek philosophy, you probably feel that I won’t be able to support my position using the bible. (continued on next post...) Pastor Glenn |