Subject: Why would someone get rebaptised? |
Bible Note: "I can see there is no need in debating this with you because you have been blinded by the Calvinist viewpoint." Well, we can't all be like you, enlightened with the "truth" of Pharisaical works-righteousness, RAVEN. By the by, what do you make of our resident Arminian's approval of my post. Certainly you don't accuse Tim of being under the influence of "the evil John Calvin." Now away from the ad hominem attacks and back to the Scripture passage in question I was wondering why you stopped at verse 13. You also avoided any discussion of the verses I cited from the same passage. You can't just pick the verses you like and say "case closed." You wrote: "We are not judged by what Adam and Eve did! You cannot show me a verse that says this." Paul wrote: "The gift is not like that which came through the one who sinned; for on the one hand the judgment arose from one transgression resulting in condemnation, but on the other hand the free gift arose from many transgressions resulting in justification." --Romans 5:16 and "So then as through one transgression there resulted condemnation to all men, even so through one act of righteousness there resulted justification of life to all men." --Romans 5:18 ONE transgression (Adam's) results in condemnation/judgment for ALL. There's your verses. But Paul goes on: "For as through the one man's disobedience the many were made sinners, even so through the obedience of the One the many will be made righteous." --Romans 5:19 We were made sinners, not because we sinned, but because Adam sinned. Can't be much clearer than that. We may be held accountable for only our sins, but the human race became sinful by nature because of Adam. Look at the process: Adam sinned, and therefore we were MADE sinners. Pretty cut-and-dried to me. But let's back up to the previous verse you cited: "for until the Law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law." --Romans 5:13 One thing we can conclude from this verse is that sin did not originate with the Law. The verse itself says that sin existed before the Law. That is why God could justly destroy the world and everyone in it (with the exception of Noah's family). Obviously judgment existed before the Law of Moses. We see it in Genesis 6. Looking at the next verse reveals a lot as well: "Nevertheless death reigned from Adam until Moses, even over those who had not sinned in the likeness of the offense of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come." --Romans 5:14 People had not sinned in the likeness of the offense of Adam, and yet death reigned. If we do not suffer the consequences of Adam's sin, why are all people detined to die? It even goes so far as to say that "death reigned" during the period of time between Adam and the Law of Moses. Notice again in this verse that it doesn't say that man didn't sin. It says that they didn't sin in the likeness of Adam. Since the passage refers to Adam violating a direct, verbal command from God, and the Law being a direct set of moral commandments, I would think that "sinning in the likeness of Adam" probably refers to sinning against God's special revelation verbally, through prophets, and through Scripture. Those who sinned not in the likeness of Adam only sinned against God's general revelation in nature (Romans 1:18-20) or against the moral sense imbedded iby God in our psyche (Romans 2:11-16). Your reference to David's infant son is one of the passages used to support the "age of accountability" argument, which even many of us "blinded Calvinists" accept. Lastly, you wrote: 'Anybody that can look into the eyes of their newborn baby and believe that it is "defiled" ,"depraved", covered in sin and utterly without hope unless they are sprinkled with a few drops of water has got some serious issues and needs to seek guidence!!' Well, since you are attacking a point of view I have not given, I will only say that while your sentiment is really "warm and fuzzy," the cute, little baby you hold in your arms is God's enemy by nature (Ephesians 2:3) and cannot submit to God's law or please Him (Romans 8:7; Hebrews 12:2). Calvinists do not believe in baptismal regeneration. That error is part of your theology. --Joe! |