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NASB | 1 John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | 1 John 1:8 If we say we have no sin [refusing to admit that we are sinners], we delude ourselves and the truth is not in us. [His word does not live in our hearts.] |
Subject: Is sinless perfection possible on earth? |
Bible Note: Tim, Thanks for your reply, I'll follow the same format as I ask for clarification. 1.) I understand that you see a saved individual as winning, but I am wondering if you grant that it is in fact a battle? Now I would suggest that we don't always win this battle, but lets put that aside. In your mind, though we who live by the spirit do win over the flesh, do you grant that it is a battle, a stuggle in the sense that we must put our minds to doing so since there is an opposing drive to be overcome? 2. On Ephesians 4, I readily grant that aorist tense in these would typically indicate a one time action, but also keep in mind that aorist serves greatly as an "unmarked" tense as well. In other words if Paul was simply not trying to stress aspect, this is how he would have done it. However, I base what I'm saying on the fact that it is a current command. He is instructing saved souls to do this now, and is not looking at it as something already finished. Perhaps you disagree still with my interpretations of Ephesians. And I'm not trying to sway you from your view but rather understand it. I am wondering if you see the Christian as in the process of putting to death old habits and sinful inclinations. However, much victory your ascribe to a christian in it, are we now doing so. That is what I refer to as a struggle. When I suggest there is a struggle I do not mean to suggest a Christian living in defeat. BTW, I think in many places scripture uses an already not yet with regards to the old man being crucified. It has been accomplished, yet being brought into realization over time. We know scripture often speaks of things this way. I'd offer the topic of "all things being placed in subjection to Christ" as an example. See Ephesians 1:22 and 1 Cor 15:27,28. One might easily argue that God has (aorist) put all things under his feet. Yet we see that it is still ongoing. I would argue a similiar scenario with regards to the past tense accomplishing of our sanctification and the ongoing process of our sanctification. I am doubtful you'll agree on that point, but do let me know in what sense you would say the Christian is still battling sin, if at all. In Christ, Beja |