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NASB | 1 John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | 1 John 1:8 If we say we have no sin [refusing to admit that we are sinners], we delude ourselves and the truth is not in us. [His word does not live in our hearts.] |
Subject: Is sinless perfection possible on earth? |
Bible Note: Tim I come from a Arminian background but always considered Rom 7 and 1 John 1:8-10 or even up to including 1 John 2:2 as more or less proof that we can't live totally sinless. I further understand this to explain why Jesus is our eternal high priest that makes intercession for us today. If Christian could and do live sinless lives all they would need is perfect sacrifice for their sins. Then once they are cleansed they would have no further need of an intercessor, since there would be nothing to intercede for. one might say this is a process and it is doing the process of sanctification (if you will) that we still need an intercessor. However the passage in 2 Cor 5:17 doesn't say the process is on going but rather complete and finished when we are born again. Many want to say scripture assures a believer of freedom brought on by his sin nature and we are only exposed to sin from outside temptation brought on by the adversary. However 1 John 2:15-17 tell us believers to turn from the things of this world. Specifically naming them, Lust of the Flesh, Lust of the Eyes and Pride of Life. These to me are internal. My body often lusts after food as proven by my vast warehouse of potential muscle. When a friend comes by with a really super nice super sporty car, one that I know I would love to have but never will I feel a twinge of envy. When I see a horribly disfigured person I catch myself backing away from them some may describe it as recoiling in shock or horror. But in any case I would think that show less than perfect love which is sin. All of these things should be gone if I am a new creation and freed from sin which would be the only way to live in sinless perfection before God. Thoughts????? I know I addressed Tim but I would like to hear others. I am really interested in New Testament scripture that support either side of this discussion. |