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NASB | Ephesians 4:9 (Now this expression, "He ascended," what does it mean except that He also had descended into the lower parts of the earth? |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Ephesians 4:9 (Now this expression, "He ascended," what does it mean except that He also had previously descended [from the heights of heaven] into the lower parts of the earth? |
Subject: no physical death? not sinners? |
Bible Note: Hi PDAL: First of all, I pray you accept my apology for my crassness, and condescending response. Thank you, for your patient and thoughtful one. I think, I do now, know what you mean, and correct me if I am wrong, please. It appears that your definition of sinner is the same as unsaved, if that is so, I concur, (I'm not sure that webster would see it that way) but the way you put it I agree, wholeheartedly i.e. spiritually, and, mindfully too, if I may. And, I agree when you say, Paul, in the verses you refer to is talking about the spirt, and, that we, having accepted Christ as our savior, are born again in that spirt i.e. we have a NEW SPIRT! amen. And, that we are being transformed, i.e. an ongoing process of renewing our minds, agreed. However; and once again, my apologies for not saying this before, as this really is my point, When the world, the unsaved, unbelieving, sinners, hear a Christian say something like I AM NOT A SINNER! (and they will be using webster's definition, by the way.) they see a pompous pious hypocrite. As you said yourself, we're not saying that we don't sin. I think what we are saying is, we don't want to associate ourselves as sinners, I cant agree more. So; maybe we don't see what they see, but that is what they see. And believe me, I know, I don't know about you, but I spent the better part of 50 years as an unsaved, unbelieving, sinner. And brother if we are to sow seeds of God's salvation in the hearts of sinners, so the Spirt of God can grace them with faith once having heard the massage. Well; we need to be careful thats all; If they see us as lyers: Why should they believe us? May God's peace bless you always. stj |