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NASB | Ephesians 4:9 (Now this expression, "He ascended," what does it mean except that He also had descended into the lower parts of the earth? |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Ephesians 4:9 (Now this expression, "He ascended," what does it mean except that He also had previously descended [from the heights of heaven] into the lower parts of the earth? |
Subject: what does ephesians 4:9 mean-"descended" |
Bible Note: Hi PDAL, The water is clearing "a little". I understand what you are saying about Adam. 1 Cor. 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. The way I see it the sin of Adam was imputed to us through procreation, we are of his seed; he made the bad choice and went contrary to God. Through our physical birth we are in Adam and there was no individual choice on our part; that’s a bummer. But the verse, 1 Cor. 15:22, goes on to say, in Christ all shall be made alive. I was in Adam due to my physical birth, no chance of a choice on my part. But now I have a personal choice, and that choice is if I want to personally be placed in Christ. There again a birth takes place and I am born again and God through his fantastic plan places me positionally in His Son. John 14:6 Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. With this being the case I can see where Christ could be considered the Last Adam but not the second Adam, as “you suggest” with number three, four, and five and so on coming along at some point in time. I don’t believe God has more then one plan for us as lost individuals and being placed in His Son “isn’t” something that’s automatic; it’s a grace function that’s triggered by faith in God’s object, Jesus Christ. You make it sound as though everyone will automatically be placed in Christ and have eternal life? Isn’t there some kind of a universal name for that; I don’t believe the Bible teaches it though? Maybe you could clear up that muddy spot for me a little better, CDBJ |