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NASB | Ephesians 4:11 And He gave some as apostles, and some as prophets, and some as evangelists, and some as pastors and teachers, |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Ephesians 4:11 And [His gifts to the church were varied and] He Himself appointed some as apostles [special messengers, representatives], some as prophets [who speak a new message from God to the people], some as evangelists [who spread the good news of salvation], and some as pastors and teachers [to shepherd and guide and instruct], |
Bible Question: Jude 1:17 proves that the 'pneumatika', spritual gifts, ceased at some point in the past? I hardly think so. Quoting Jude 1:17 to prove this point is really stretching things a bit, don't you think? Why do people quote 1-2 lines of Scripture followed by 20 lines of "reasoning" to make their point? Is there no clear verse of Scripture that answers Charis' question? |
Bible Answer: Dear RCSCROLL, charis, and JVH, I just now read of RC's comment about the past tense in Jude 17, and charis I agree that it's past tense in Ephesians 4:ll 'And He gave some apostles, some prophets, and some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers. Past tense, He gave some. Past tense, "words that were spoken beforehand by the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ." Everything is in place already in the eyes of Jude. You have all the information, revelation, knowledge of the Son of God. You're well equipped with the word of God. JVH, I'm sure you will be happy to know that there is a direct correlation between Jude 17 and Eph.3:ll using my capitalization system. It also points to Ephesians 2:18 "for through Him we both have our access in one (Spirit) to the Father. Ephesians 2:20 has a tense which I need to study to find out, but it too is in a past tense of having been built on a foundation but now we're growing. |