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Subject: verse explains nonChrist knowing savior |
Bible Note: Dear brother Paul, I'm following your logic, but I'm still unable to reconcile it to Scripture. The way I am interpreting your argument; you are saying this (please correct me if I am reading you wrong): You wrote: "God requires alienation before reconciliation." translation (in context of the rest of your posts): God's PURPOSEFUL INTENT was to "create" evil, that is sin, in order to force (require) mankind's separation/alientation from Him. And the purpose behind it was to once again reconcile Himself with man. Not by any stretch of my own imagination do I interpret Scripture in this fashion. Another problem I have with your post brother, is the rewording of the verses. Even the most cautious, well intended attempt at this is dangerous at the very least. I do believe your intentions are well meaning and in the spirit of trying to understand our God and His word as are mine. Let me continue to offer feedback on my understanding of this topic. If we approach the topic of God and his creation from the view that I am understaning that you take, we have the following problems. 1. The Holy and Righteous God explained in Scripture is the creator of sin. 2. That this same God causes man to sin, and in fact requires it. 3. That because God causes/requires man to sin, man has no responsibility for his sin. 4. God is unjust in punishing man for his sin. Back to your hypothesis in a nut-shell. "...the plan of God requires alienation before reconciliation." I believe this thought to be in contradiction to the gospel message. God does not require alienation before reconciliation. Rather, man's sin, which man is solely responsible for, has alienated him/us from God. God's unapproachable love, His mercy and grace provided a plan of salvation through faith in His Son Jesus Christ. God REQUIRES that we trust in that only in order to be RECONCILED to Him. Brother Paul, I do not claim to know it all; in fact, the record of my posts here on the forum represents very well that I do not. But the way I am reading you, it appears that you are in fact rewriting the scripture and doctrine along with it; though I don't believe that is your intent. Again, if I have misunderstood you please redirect my thinking. In the love of Christ, Jeff |