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NASB | Romans 8:9 ¶ However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Romans 8:9 ¶ However, you are not [living] in the flesh [controlled by the sinful nature] but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God lives in you [directing and guiding you]. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him [and is not a child of God]. [Rom 8:14] |
Subject: filled Holy Spirit, or to walk in spirit |
Bible Note: Hello Doc, You asked: "Pastor, are you reading my posts fully?" Yes, I am reading your posts fully. However, first of all, since I have never heard a Christian express none belief in the "spirit nature" of a believer as you have, I am studying the subject more deeply. Secondly, I have also never heard a Christian refer to "born again" as a metaphor. Thirdly, you refer to your view as orthodox, when as of yet, I am unable to find much in the way of clear positions on these matters in Creeds and Confessions. I do not doubt your Christianity, I just have never heard anyone on this forum or elsewhere, not even radio or TV ministries, express your positions. Maybe there are many that believe as you do, but I wish that they would speak out also. Here is some of what I found so far: http://www.carm.org/creeds.htm Belgic Confession (1561) This Reformed confession was prepared in 1561 by Guy de Bres (c.1523-1567), who was later martyred, and others, and then slightly revised by Francis Junius (1545-1602) of Bourges. First written in French, it was soon translated into Dutch and Latin. The Synod of Dort (1618-1619) made a revision but did not change the doctrine. It covers the spectrum of theological topics. Article 35: The Sacrament of the Lord's Supper We believe and confess that our Savior Jesus Christ has ordained and instituted the sacrament of the Holy Supper to nourish and sustain those who are already born again and ingrafted into his family: his church. Now those who are born again have two lives in them. The one is physical and temporal-- they have it from the moment of their first birth, and it is common to all. The other is spiritual and heavenly, and is given them in their second birth; it comes through the Word of the gospel in the communion of the body of Christ; and this life is common to God's elect only. http://www.fbctaylors.org/resources/wft.php?wft(equal symbol)146 Dichotomists dismiss the verses trichotomists hold as verification of the spirit/soul distinction. Believing it unnecessary, they find other explanations of verses like 1 Thessalonians 5:23, “…spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless…” They do not see trichotomy in Hebrews 4:12-13, “…piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit…” suggesting it would have to say, “soul from spirit” if it really taught trichotomy. Dichotomy vs. trichotomy is not a distinction to cause separation among brethren, but the man who rejects trichotomy loses one of the most helpful explanations of Biblical psychology. Why explain away these two verses in answering, “Is man a dichotomy or a trichotomy?” Pastor Vaughn, February 1, 2004 I plan to respond in detail in a few days. Your brother in Christ, Pastor Glenn |