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Subject: What is the Bible's take on sacriments? |
Bible Note: "First you imply I was saying God acted Arbitrarily and I didn’t." I certainly did not mean to state that you yourself believe that God acts arbitrarily. What I was trying to point out was that it is very important to think carefully regarding God and His attributes. There is a big difference between saying that "God doing something turns it into a just act" and "What God will do is just because He is just." You wrote, regarding God pouring out his wrath on sinners in hell: "You know what you did here, you took an act outside our understanding and tired to use it as a defense for your position." How is it beyond our understanding. God has made it plain to us: his anger toward sinners is being stored up by their every act, and he will unrelentingly and angrily punish those who hate Him. "In our human reasoning we could say it is very much a loving act in that it is total and complete vindication for what many has endured. Example it is a loving act for the Jews to see Hitler thus condemned." But that wasn't what I was asking. Is it loving toward HITLER to see Hitler thus condemned? You wrote: "In my statement is there any mention that God would violate his nature or His established promises." You seemed to open the door for it when you referred to His infinite, eternal, and unchangeable being, wisdom, power, holiness, justice, goodness, and truth as "human-established absolutes." So is His unchanging truth a "human-established" aboslute or one that eternally exists and is APPREHENDED by humans? That is where this whole sideline discussion started. I had said that God cannot be just and not punish all sin to the satisfaction of His holiness. The wages of sin is death. That is in keeping with His unchanging justice and holiness. Therefore, any atonement model requires a death sufficient to compensate for all of God's justice and holy wrath. "Nonetheless Scripture very plainly says God does as He pleases. Psalm 115:3 But our God is in heaven; He does whatever He pleases." And what He pleases to do is in keeping with His unchanging nature. It pleases Him to be Himself, and the thrust of Psalm 115:3 is that nothing stands in God's way of accomplishing His purposes, of being Himself without any obstacles. I understand that you do not really consider God to be capricious or arbitrary, Ed. But when you argue against us understanding what God is like as far as He has revealed himself (not completely, as the finite cannot grasp the infinite, but as far as he has explained Himself to us), then that does open the door to a whole lot of problems. The church needs to come together, as it always has, to think carefully about God as He has shown Himself to be. --Joe! |