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Subject: What is the Bible's take on sacriments? |
Bible Note: Joe I was going to bed but before I do let me say something first. In your rebuttal to me you took my statement. "See God can not lie because He is truth, so whatever He says is true. He is just because He is justice so whatever He does is just." Then said “This is a very subtle but very crucial error here. God does not act arbitrarily, and thus whatever he does suddenly becomes "justice" or "truth." God cannot say that Jesus is not his beloved Son, for example, and then it suddenly becomes the truth.” First you imply I was saying God acted Arbitrarily and I didn’t. Then you implied I said God could contradict established truth and then it would become truth. Again I didn’t. You read this into my statement and by doing so you of course was able to make my statement look incorrect. I said , "He is loving because He is love so whatever He does is loving." You said, “Is pouring out his eternal wrath on sinners in hell an act of love toward them? “ You know what you did here, you took an act outside our understanding and tired to use it as a defense for your position. If the tables were turned you would probably still use it to your advantage again because it simply something we can not comprehend. In our human reasoning we could say it is very much a loving act in that it is total and complete vindication for what many has endured. Example it is a loving act for the Jews to see Hitler thus condemned. In this case I will stoop to proof texting you 1 John 4:8 He who does not love does not know God, for God is love. :-) (notice the smile) Here I said, "Since God establishes the parameters anything He does, by the nature that he establishes those parameters, has to fall within the boundaries of those parameters." You then said “But God's unchanging nature is uncreated. He always acts according to his nature, so while he established the parameters for His universe and how He will interact with it, He did not create His own nature, according to which He always acts. In other words, God does not define what He is like; He simply IS. “ I never said God’s nature would change. I said since God established the parameters everything He does falls within the boundaries of those parameters. That does not say any of this will violate His establish existing parameter or God’s nature. Again you changed or read into my statement therefore rendering it incorrect. I then said, "The problems begin when Man tries to define what God should, would, could or will do. God does what he pleases because He is God." You replied Again, I am not talking about a God made in man's image, but God as He has faithfully revealed Himself. Am I overstepping my bounds when I say that God WILL bring all Christians to heaven? No, because I am not the one who has "defined" what God will do. In my statement is there any mention that God would violate his nature or His established promises. Nonetheless Scripture very plainly says God does as He pleases. Psalm 115:3 But our God is in heaven; He does whatever He pleases. Lastly I said, "In any case if God did seem (to man) to violate one of your human established absolutes who would you complain to? Who would be your mediator? Who would be your judge your jury? :-)" In your reply you answered the question exactly right even though you called it flawed. You said, “If God seems to violate His immutable character traits, then the problem is with the perception of the human being to whom it seems to be violated.” Joe having known you for a long time, so I will assume that because of the hour and the lousy verbiage on my part these were unintentional distortions or complete misunderstanding of my comments. God blessings to you and goodnight! Your brother in the Lord. EdB |