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NASB | John 15:16 "You did not choose Me but I chose you, and appointed you that you would go and bear fruit, and that your fruit would remain, so that whatever you ask of the Father in My name He may give to you. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | John 15:16 "You have not chosen Me, but I have chosen you and I have appointed and placed and purposefully planted you, so that you would go and bear fruit and keep on bearing, and that your fruit will remain and be lasting, so that whatever you ask of the Father in My name [as My representative] He may give to you. |
Subject: Did the disciples have a choice? |
Bible Note: "You said that any time Christ commanded someone directly to follow Him, they had no choice but to obey" Oh, no. I proposed a viewpoint and asked a question. I never once concluded they had no choice. I said the angels and the demons and nature and the universe have no choice. I never said people have no choice. I'm actually on the free will side of this issue. I just don't have an adequate defense of my opinion. And where the Bible is concerned OPINION IS WORTHLESS. But I can't agree with your reasoning on Mt 19:21. The word may be imperative, but the context still is conditional. "ei...thelo ...hupago...kai...deuro...akoloutheo" (IF...you want...go ...AND...come ...follow) So this point is weak, and not convincing proof. The context of the sentence here is "IF YOU WILL THEN GO AND COME FOLLOW" -------------------------------- ei (i) a primary particle of conditionality; conj AV - if 242, whether 20, that 6, not tr 19, misc 3; 290 thelo (thel-o) or ethelo (eth-el-o) in certain tenses otherwise obsolete apparently strengthened from the alternate form of 138; TDNT - 3:44,318; v AV - will/would 159, will/would have 16, desire 13, desirous 3, list 3, to will 2, misc 4; 210 1) to will, have in mind, intend 1a) to be resolved or determined, to purpose 1b) to desire, to wish 1c) to love 1c1) to like to do a thing, be fond of doing 1d) to take delight in, have pleasure hupago (hoop-ag-o) from 5259 and 71; TDNT - 8:504,1227; v AV - go 55, go (ones) way 17, go away 3, get thee 3, depart 2, get thee hence 1; 81 1) to lead under, bring under 2) to withdraw one's self, to go away, depart kai (kahee) apparently, a primary particle, having a copulative and sometimes also a cumulative force; conj AV - and 8182, also 515, even 108, both 43, then 20, so 18, likewise 13, not tr. 354, misc 46, vr and 1; 9280 1) and, also, even, indeed, but deuro (dyoo-ro) of uncertain affinity; adv AV - come 6, come hither 2, hitherto 1) of place, 1a) hither to this place 1b) in urging and calling, here! come! 2) of time, hither to, now |