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NASB | John 15:16 "You did not choose Me but I chose you, and appointed you that you would go and bear fruit, and that your fruit would remain, so that whatever you ask of the Father in My name He may give to you. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | John 15:16 "You have not chosen Me, but I have chosen you and I have appointed and placed and purposefully planted you, so that you would go and bear fruit and keep on bearing, and that your fruit will remain and be lasting, so that whatever you ask of the Father in My name [as My representative] He may give to you. |
Subject: Did the disciples have a choice? |
Bible Note: Hi Hank, I said "If God Almighty chooses to call a person, that person will come! In answer to the first part of your question: "John, has this statement you have made been shown by Scripture to be the case, always and without exception?". I say YES! The ones God Chooses to call will come. I believe your response to me would be: "Then why are not all saved upon hearing the Gospel?". Matt 22:14 "For many are called, but few are chosen." The call goes out to all. The evangelist is to carry out the Great Commission and call all men, everywhere to repentance and to faith in Christ. Now you know and I know that unless the Holy Spirit quikens the heart of the hearer, that person will consider the preaching of the cross foolishness 1 cor 1:18. He is carnal and can neither understand or recieve spiritual things. For that very reason we pray the Holy Spirit will open the persons eyes and ears and heart. It takes a miracle for a sinner to surrender to Christ. On that basis I say there are two calls, one a outward call and a second an inward call. All recieve the The evangelists call (An outward call) but only those whom God has chosen recieve His call (An inward call) and the quikening of the Holy Spirit. When God sends the Holy Spirit to quiken the heart of a man that man is born again. His eyes are now open. He sees his sinful condition and turns to Christ the object of his love. The Spirit has taken away his heart of stone and given him a heart of flesh. The question here centers around the verb "chosen". Hank, who in this verse, do you say, are the chosen and who is the chooser? If you disagree please share your understanding of this verse with me. I'll Attempt to answer the second part of your question later. God Bless Hank, John |