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NASB | John 10:28 and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | John 10:28 "And I give them eternal life, and they will never, ever [by any means] perish; and no one will ever snatch them out of My hand. |
Subject: once saved always saved |
Bible Note: Joe Concerning my comment on 1 Tim. 4:1 you replied "The fact that other verses address false faith doesn't mean that this passage doesn't." Once again I maintain and stand firm in my stance, that; 1 Tim. 4:1 is addressing true possessors and not mere professors. Until someone proves to me otherwise. Concerning the wording "the faith" I once again stand firm in my personal belief that "the faith" that Paul had in view in the context in at least this verse is the faith in Christ Jesus. Also I don't see what difference it makes whether we say "the faith" is corperate or personal, since it really must be both. The fact is there is only one true saving faith, and I believe that is what Paul is referring to here. You also said " Certainly there are some among us who say it without truly believing it, but the confession of the faith stands even in the face of individuals wandering from it, giving evidence of not being truly regenerate." I agree with you there. What we will disagree on is whether or not a person who was truly saved can forfeit his salvation. I personally believe that salvation can be forfeited, because of what many portions of Scripture says about that topic. Heb. 6:4-6 for starters, which I am sure you are fimilar with. Other verses in Hebrews which indicate and warn of this possiblity are Heb. 2:1-3; 3:6,14 4:1,11,14; 10:23,26-29,35-38; 11:13; 12:25 and thats only the book of Hebrews. The same sense is given in far to many other portions of Scripture which I could, but didn't list at this time. Grace Peace and Love New Creature |