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NASB | Luke 16:23 "In Hades he lifted up his eyes, being in torment, and *saw Abraham far away and Lazarus in his bosom. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Luke 16:23 "In Hades (the realm of the dead), being in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away and Lazarus in his bosom (paradise). |
Subject: Does Luke 16 use the term 'parable'? |
Bible Note: So then you believe in conscious thought after death? Now, I'm curious. Do you believe also in the immortal soul? What then is the second death that Rev 2:11, 20:6, 20:14, 21:8 speaks of? Lest I stray of the topic, let me clarify. The confusion lies in mixing the 2 Lazarus' up. Luke 16 is an allegory. I believe he purposely used the Name of Lazarus so that there would be no lack of conviction for the Pharisees when it would happen in reality. It is not meant to be taken literally. He spoke this parable to teach them about life and death. The importance here is related to (Matt 6:20) "But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven...", and (Matt 6:33) "But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you." The Pharisees were lovers of money (verse 14) and they were equated to the Rich Man's place. This is evident throughout Jesus' ministry how he despised the Hipocrisy of the Pharisees. What do you think Jesus meant when he spoke to his disciples of Lazarus? First he said, our friend Lazarus sleeps, then when they thought he meant that he is resting, Jesus plainly told them "Lazarus is dead". If Jesus described death as a sleep here, then he is merely being consistent with the old testament thought that death is a sleep. No conscious thought. Is there another text that supports conscious thought in sheol other than this one which is clearly a parable? You said that our bodies are put in the graves and not our soul and spirit. Hear me out on this one. This is the best example I think that illustrates the belief on Gen 2:7 (And the LORD God formed man of the DUST of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the BREATH of LIFE; and man became a LIVING SOUL.) To make a BOX (living soul), you need wood (dust) and nails (breath of life). When you fashion the wood in the form of a cube and nail it together, you form a box. If you remove the nails from the wood, you no longer have a box but a scrap of wood. How then can it be that there is conscious thought if there is no soul, spirit or life in the body? When you die, the breath of life is gone (no nails), and you return to dust. Sheol meaning "underworld" is consistent with the grave, abode of the dead, depths of the earth. There is no contraversy in that. I believe the error comes from the great compromise that Christians did in order to bring more pagans to the faith in the days of Constantine. Someone who loves TRUTH, Phil |