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NASB | Luke 16:23 "In Hades he lifted up his eyes, being in torment, and *saw Abraham far away and Lazarus in his bosom. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Luke 16:23 "In Hades (the realm of the dead), being in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away and Lazarus in his bosom (paradise). |
Subject: Where is Luke 16:19ff called a parable? |
Bible Note: MaTT, I couldn't have said it better myself. Tim, That reference in Samuel and your hold on it as evidence disturbs me. That was not Samuel who appeared but a demon. 2 Cor 11:14 says:"And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light." Consider the following: 1) She was a witch. God said NEVER go to a witch. They were supposed to be executed. Based on your belief then, that it was indeed Samuel, am I to believe then in seances and ouija boards to find out about my future? or talk to my dearly departed? I think not. Saul was playing in the devil's territory. There is NO WAY that there could have been anything true about that. 2) This spirit that came up who CLAIMED to be Samuel said that the witch had the to power to raise him. The Bible says that only God has that power. Jesus is the ressurection and the life. The devil has no power to give life OR call a saved person like Samuel up. What he does have to power to create are illusions to deceive. 3) The Spirit also told Saul that he would be with him tomorrow? How can that be? Is Saul to be in "Abraham's bosom" like Samuel according to your belief? I heard something on the radio about Jesus always chastising with some sort of hope mingled in with it. In revelation, he follows up to the seven churches by saying "to him that OVERCOMES..." Where was the hope in this chastisement? He just told him that he was going to die. God cares for the sinner but hates the sin. He would have told Saul to repent or something so that we would not have to die. I noticed you excluded Jude 1:7. How do you explain that? I don't hear about a city somewhere in the middle East that is still burning. God wants us to think. It is the only way that we will grow as Christians. Consider when God asked Adam and Eve "Where are you?". Do you think God did not know where they were? Or when he asked Job "Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth? Tell Me, if you have understanding,..." I am saying all this to say that we are to think, pray and study on topics. Concerning the topic of death, the bible teaches that it is a sleep (unconciousness). Moses was not dead. He was raised from his death. I gave you Jude 1:9 to show you that Moses is NOT in the grave. We have to be careful not to base a belief on a single verse in the bible but to measure it up against the whole Bible. If the "Rich Man and Lazarus" is not a parable, then do you believe that the people in hades (where the rich man was) can talk to the saved? Let us seek the truth together and FIND the truth in the bible. Your brother in Christ, Phil |