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NASB | Luke 16:23 "In Hades he lifted up his eyes, being in torment, and *saw Abraham far away and Lazarus in his bosom. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Luke 16:23 "In Hades (the realm of the dead), being in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away and Lazarus in his bosom (paradise). |
Subject: Where is Luke 16:19ff called a parable? |
Bible Note: Greetings Phil! Thanks for your response! Allow me to touch upon some of your points! 1) The Spirit of Samuel: Your take on the 1 Sam. 28 passage is that the spirit described is a demon. However, just as Luke 16:19ff is never called a parable my friend, neither is the spirit in 1 Sam. 28 ever called a demon. Consider 1 Sam. 28:15a - "Samuel said to Saul, ...". Throughout the passage, the spirit is identified as Samuel, not a demon pretending to be Samuel. 2) Moses not dead? Exactly where does Jude 9 say that Moses was not dead? However, Deut. 34:5-6 explicitly says that he died and was buried: "And Moses the servant of the LORD died there in Moab, as the LORD had said. 6 He buried him in Moab, in the valley opposite Beth Peor, but to this day no one knows where his grave is." Jude 9 speaks of a dispute over Moses' body, but it never says that he was not dead, or that he had been raised. Again my friend, this position is pure speculation and goes beyond what the text actually says. 3) Can they talk to those in Hades? First of all, they were all in Hades, not just the rich man. Secondly, the passage in Luke 16 says that the rich man called out to Abraham. So, we know that at the very least he could communicate with Abraham. Beyond that, the text is silent. 4) Jude 7: Again my friend, this passage does not teach what you claim. No where does Jude 7 say that Sodom and Gomorrah will burn eternally. It says that they (all three examples mentioned in vv. 5-7) serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire. Conclusion: So, I am to reject what the Bible actually says because some believe that Luke 16:19ff is a parable, even though Scripture never says that it is a parable. I am to reject what the Bible says about Samuel in 1 Sam. 28 because some believe that the spirit was a demon and not actually Samuel, even though the Bible never says this. I am to reject what the Bible says about Moses because some believe that he was not really dead, even though Deut. 34:5-6 says that he was. I respectfully submit that I would have to ignore what Scripture actually says and indulge in a lot of speculation to accept this position my friend. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |