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NASB | Mark 16:17 "These signs will accompany those who have believed: in My name they will cast out demons, they will speak with new tongues; |
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Subject: Why little sign of power in our churches |
Bible Note: Hi Steve, no problem jumping in late either, I do it way too often myself! I'm glad 1 Corinthians 13:8 caught your eye. That one verse, and the few surrounding it, has troubled many a theologian. The sad thing is, it doesn't have too! Let me put it to you like this, there are no such things as Bible difficulties!! There is only Theology Difficulties. The Bible doesn't have a problem, our theology does. We want the Bible to fit our theology, instead of having our theology fit the Bible. ...Are you suggesting that "then" has already come? Has the event that Paul referred to - "when perfection comes, the imperfect disappears" - has already happened? Has perfection already come a second time? ... Yes, but know that it is not I that suggests, it's the Bible that tells. Let me drop this on you cause you seem ready to hear it, Christ told his disciples that he would return in 40 years. And he said his return would be a like a flash of lightning. People want to physically see Christ coming down from the sky with organ music playing and a heavenly choir. Very theatric, but not Biblically correct. If Christ did NOT return in 40 years, He was a liar and is therefore NOT the Messiah. Now, personally, I'm not going to say that. ...That is when gifts such as prophecy and tongues will disappear. 1 Corinthians 13 makes perfect sense apart from any discussion of whether or not God has suspended spiritual gifts... Yes, and this too makes sense with the rest of the Bible. Ok, there's two ages listed in the Bible, as far as the NT goes. Check it out for yourself. The apostles state that there is this Age, which was the Age relevant to THEIR lifetime, and then the Age to come, which is relevant to OUR lifetime and has be relevant since 70 AD. The Ages was the passing of the OT covenant into the NT Covenant. We are now in the eternal Covenant. Think about it like this, why do we need prophesy anymore? What on earth is left to tell? ...I'd be interested to know what you think the Holy Spirit is supposed to do "in" us. It seems to me that anything he is likely to do "in" me will probably manifest itself in some outward way - as a gift of the spirit.... Yes, the Holy Spirit, i.e. God IS in you. Your body is His temple and He dwells in you. And Paul tells us that Love is now the gift that remains. It is the only apt gift now when you think about it. You see, gifts like healing and prophesy were there to edify the early church, which desperately needed these things. Remember, Rome and Paganism was against it, but also the non Believing Jews were as well, which is equaling depressing. The early church needed something to show that it was the ONE true faith. Gifts provided that. Remember, all the prophets, and Jesus himself, could perform miracles. Why? To show that they were from God in a time of trouble. Now God IS here. Satan IS under our feet. Satan has been defeated, just like the Bible says. Gifts aren't needed anymore, we have full authority here. Now, we need to go spread the Gospel and tell the people the good news!! We win, because Christ won, just like the Bible tells us. Take care, SUEDE |