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NASB | Ezekiel 28:13 "You were in Eden, the garden of God; Every precious stone was your covering: The ruby, the topaz and the diamond; The beryl, the onyx and the jasper; The lapis lazuli, the turquoise and the emerald; And the gold, the workmanship of your settings and sockets, Was in you. On the day that you were created They were prepared. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Ezekiel 28:13 "You were in Eden, the garden of God; Every precious stone was your covering: The ruby, the topaz, and the diamond; The beryl, the onyx, and the jasper; The lapis lazuli, the turquoise, and the emerald; And the gold, the workmanship of your settings and your sockets, Was in you. They were prepared On the day that you were created. [Gen 3:14, 15; Is 14:12-15; Matt 16:23] |
Subject: origin of the devil |
Bible Note: Hi, I have just made another posting answering a question that arrived earlier than yours, but I will not just pass you on again. You might think I am trying to avoid you :-))) Perhaps we should first consider Geneis 3.22. Who did the 'us' include then? There it sounds far more likely to me that He is including moral beings who have seen for themselves the consequences of the fall of Satan and thus have come to the experience of 'knowing good and evil', than just a conversation with Himself. And this especially as He will then despatch the Cherubim to guard the way to the tree of life (3.24). I agree wholeheartedly that creation was His work, and His work alone. But I have often said to my children 'let us do this' when my intention was to do it myself, with the simple aim of drawing them in on my plans. Then they felt that they had a part in it. Thus to me God is drawing in to His plans the angels who in the future will have a duty to serve the heirs of salvation (Henbrews 1.14). They would recognise from this that it had been their charge from the beginning. After all if He can draw me in on His plans, how much more the angels who always do His bidding? But I have no wish to alter an entrenched position. I hold my view because 1) I cannot see how when God clearly purposes in the Old Testament to establish His oneness over against men's polytheistic ideas (Exodus 20.2; Deuteronomy 6.5-6) He would undermine the idea here. 2). Because no one who read these words from an Old Testament perspecive could possibly have seen it as referring to the triune God. 3). Because the revelation of the triunity of God is so important that while there are certainly hints in the Old Testament, it could not really be presented fully until the coming of Jesus without seeming to give a concession to polytheism. Best wishes Jonp |