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NASB | Ezekiel 28:13 "You were in Eden, the garden of God; Every precious stone was your covering: The ruby, the topaz and the diamond; The beryl, the onyx and the jasper; The lapis lazuli, the turquoise and the emerald; And the gold, the workmanship of your settings and sockets, Was in you. On the day that you were created They were prepared. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Ezekiel 28:13 "You were in Eden, the garden of God; Every precious stone was your covering: The ruby, the topaz, and the diamond; The beryl, the onyx, and the jasper; The lapis lazuli, the turquoise, and the emerald; And the gold, the workmanship of your settings and your sockets, Was in you. They were prepared On the day that you were created. [Gen 3:14, 15; Is 14:12-15; Matt 16:23] |
Subject: origin of the devil |
Bible Note: Thanks Jonp, You did not bring up the question in order to cause controversy. I brought up the question. And not to cause controversy but for the very reason I stated in my post. I have heard the passage explained both ways; referring to the angels and referring to the trinity. You have given a lot of information in response but the questions remain as they have not been answered here. It is not an issue of controversy so please don't feel the need to be defensive. This is the way of the Forum. When someone posts something very specific that is questionable and does not offer biblical support for it, another will often ask for clarification and/or biblical support. In my case, on this topic, I simply don't know the answer and was hoping that you might help. In the interest of trying to weigh this all allow me to comment on some points you made. you wrote: "The issue here is why God said 'us'. We must ask, would a writer who was very concerned continually to stress the oneness of God (Deuteronomy 6.4-5; Exodus 20.3 - note the 'Me') be so careless as to use 'us' in a polytheistic world." I honestly don't know, but my first thought was that the writer DID use the word US and DIDN'T offer an explanation. That would appear to make your question irrelevant. You also wrote: "And this is especially so as in a creation account we should expect to find some indication of where the Cherubim in 3.24 came from." Yet we do not find it in this creation account...? "So there is nothing unlikely in their being introduced" But they are not..? "Moving on to your questions about God's image. We must ask, what is the image of God in man. It is surely 'that in man that makes him different from all other creatures" Would you include the created angels in this statement; I mean, that we are "different" from all other creatures? That seems to take us back to square one here. Anyway, I hope my response serves to show that I truly do not know which is right on this topic and my questions were my questions, not attempts to discredit you or cause controversy. By the way, you do have my email so if you are able to answer the question from Scripture I'm still searching and would appreciate your input. God bless, Jeff |