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NASB | Ezekiel 28:13 "You were in Eden, the garden of God; Every precious stone was your covering: The ruby, the topaz and the diamond; The beryl, the onyx and the jasper; The lapis lazuli, the turquoise and the emerald; And the gold, the workmanship of your settings and sockets, Was in you. On the day that you were created They were prepared. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Ezekiel 28:13 "You were in Eden, the garden of God; Every precious stone was your covering: The ruby, the topaz, and the diamond; The beryl, the onyx, and the jasper; The lapis lazuli, the turquoise, and the emerald; And the gold, the workmanship of your settings and your sockets, Was in you. They were prepared On the day that you were created. [Gen 3:14, 15; Is 14:12-15; Matt 16:23] |
Subject: origin of the devil |
Bible Note: Greetings Jonp! Thanks for responding! Let me respond to the question regarding the church and satan first. I agree, our only hope against satan and evil is in God. I would think it foolish of us to think on our own we could stand against satan or even our own sinful nature without Him. The word clearly teaches us the lost are dead in their sins, a slave to sin, their hearts hardened against God, unable to please Him and cannot even subject himself to God (Ephesians 2:1; Romans 6:17, John 8:34, 2 Corinthians 4:4, Ephesians 4:18, Romans 8:7-8). So I think it’s safe to say without God we cannot stand against satan. From scripture it would appear to me satan has no opposition from us at all without God interceding. What I would disagree with is the teaching that the church (the body of Christ) even in it’s infancy as you say would not have lasted 5 minutes. The fact is, the head of the Church is Christ Himself (Ephesians 1:22, Ephesians 4:15, Ephesians 5:23, Colossians 1:18). There is no denying satan is powerful, but to say Christ church was or is in danger of not lasting because of him I fear is misleading and could be confusing to some. This could lead to the belief / teaching satan is on equal footing with God which in turn could lead to all kinds of false teachings and beliefs (My opinion). I don’t believe that was your intent so please understand my motives are to try and clarify for myself and others reading along. Your thoughts on this? In regards to “the angelic court are assumed in God's words 'Let us make man in OUR image' (Genesis 1.26)”. Genesis 1:26-27 (NASB) 26 Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth." 27 And God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. I don’t see where the text allows for an “angelic court” interpretation. Verse 26 says “…Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness…” Verse 27 says “And God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him …”. We know from scripture God created man and He created man in His image. Let me make sure I’m not misinterpreting you. When you say “the angelic court are assumed in God's words 'Let us make man in OUR image'” are you saying that it is assumed that God was talking to the angels when he said “Us and Our”? The scriptures you reference (1 Kings 22.19, Daniel 7.9-10) does not support that assumption nor does the text of Genesis 1:26-27 in my opinion. I’m not aware of any scripture that would lead us to believe man was created in the image of God and the angels nor that the angels had any part in the creation of man. Your thoughts? God Bless, Steve |