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NASB | Psalm 51:5 ¶ Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, And in sin my mother conceived me. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Psalm 51:5 ¶ I was brought forth in [a state of] wickedness; In sin my mother conceived me [and from my beginning I, too, was sinful]. [John 3:6; Rom 5:12; Eph 2:3] |
Subject: inherit the sin of Adam |
Bible Note: Hi Doc, You "disavow" my position? Brother, my position needs neither your acceptance nor your approval. My position is clearly supported by the authority of scripture. You would do well to rely more on scripture and less on the uninspired thoughts and writings of men. I have attempted to be subtle in coaching you on this but you are not receiving well. Your responses to others are very often lengthy and full of quotes from sources other than the bible and I might add that you seem to present these sources as authoritative. Sir, you once wrote cautioning one to consider ones integrity. I offer you the same advise now. semi-Pelagianism? Let me just say that my belief and position rests on the scriptures, not on church history, counsels, or church doctrine. Not all of us on this forum rely on the arguments and resulting conclusions of men. Human beings are not born to go to Hell. We were created for a relationship with God. The sin we inherited from Adam resulted in our sin nature and the penatly for that sin IS physical death. There is no salvation from that. The bible clearly teaches that the saved as well as the unsaved will experience physical death. It is the sin that you personally commit and are responsible for that results in your spiritual death. You wrote (or quote): "The doctrine of imputation is throughout the Scriptures. The Pocket Dictionary of Theological Terms defines it as 'A transfer of benefit or harm from one individual to another. In theology imputation may be used negatively to refer to the transfer of the sin and guilt of Adam to the rest of humankind. Positively, imputation refers to the righteousness of Christ being transfered to those who believe on him for salvation'." One again you make my point while trying to dispute it. Look carefully at what you have written here. Did Adam's biting of the Apple do a greater work than Christ's work on the Cross? Of course the answer is no. But Adam's single act can condemn all men to Hell, while the work of Christ on the cross can only provide atonement for some; that is those that believe? No, Adam's sin serves to condemn all men to physical death and to produce in us a nature of sin. Your sin condemns your soul to Hell, that is spiritual death, eternal separation from God (as does mine). Thanfully for you and me and all other people, Jesus died and rose again so that "those who believe" will be saved from "their sins". Let us take a look at scripture: Eze 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him. and in Matthew: Mat 12:37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned. You see, the argument doesn't work, regardless of what material you pull your references from. The only authority to quote from is the bible. Adam passed on a "sin nature" represented by a "mortal body". It will die. My sin nature encouraged me to sin, I obeyed it, I bit the apple. It was my own disobedience that condemned me, and therefore, only I am responsible and only I can choose to receive salvation when called by God. I hope this is helpful. I realize that some things are difficult to discern from scripture and are truly only understood as the Holy Spirit gives it to us. The essential thing here is realizing, understanding that we are sinners in need of the atonement that can only come through Jesus Christ. Understanding the deeper implications and workings of these truths provides for encouragement and hope. Jeff |