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221 | Is God subject to change? | Bible general Archive 2 | EdB | 102564 | ||
John You seemed locked on God never changes yet in fact we see for certain He did. Besides all the scripture I provided that proved God changed or stop His action. Look at creation. God created earth. That required change He had to start and it required change He also finished. In creation alone we see for some reason God changed and created earth. When the Bible says God never changes it doesn't mean God will never do something different it means God will also do something the same way. EdB |
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222 | Is God subject to change? | Bible general Archive 2 | EdB | 102565 | ||
John You said Did God fore-ordain the sinful actions of men? Based upon God's Holy Word, yes I do believe God fore-ordains EVERYTHING. It is His creation and does with it whatsoever pleases Him. Then John whether you want to admit it or not you attribute the creation of evil and evil itself to God. Shakey ground thy standeth upon. EdB |
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223 | PROVE ME: God's challenge to tithers | Bible general Archive 2 | EdB | 102634 | ||
khuck I hear you but once again I go back to what Jesus said you tithe as you ought to. I also agree with Paul we should tithe and do it freely knowing our salvation is secure, but honoring God with what is precious to us. EdB |
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224 | Is God subject to change? | Bible general Archive 2 | EdB | 102635 | ||
John I think God fore ordained his plan of salvation, but I also think as in the case of Moses and David God stayed his action because of their prayers. Why because that is what the scripture says he did. Once again you focus on what man can not possibly understand and demand your right. How can that be? Do you not see God has not revealed all His mystery to us. I fail to understand how your so dogmatic about something that is clearly not totally explained in the Bible. EdB |
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225 | Is God subject to change? | Bible general Archive 2 | EdB | 102638 | ||
John On John Pipers word I should tear out the pages of the Bible where scripture states clearly God halted his action because of the prayers of righteous men? Why do you keep coming to this forum with the doctrine of men. God was going to kill very Child of Israel in the desert when Moses pleaded with Him to turn back His wrath and scriptutre says clearly that because of this intervention God relented. God was in the process of killing the residents of Jerusalem when David pleaded with him to stay the punishment. Once again scripture clearly states God stopped because of David's action. I really don't care what John Piper or anyone else says scripture clear shows God halted various things at various times because of prayer. Your focused on "foreordained" when in fact you need to be focused on the cross. Your dogmatic about something that simply is not totally explained or clarified in the scriptures. Instead focusing on what is important you take bits and pieces of scripture knit them together into a theory that you then relentlessly stand upon. To what end? EdB |
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226 | PROVE ME: God's challenge to tithers | Bible general Archive 2 | EdB | 102723 | ||
Khuck You said,"So the real principle behind tithing is putting God first in all things, not only in our possessions, but our conduct, especially in regard to how we treat others. If we say we love God and then cheat and rob our brothers, we're the same as the Pharisees -- hypocrites.)" And the reverse of that is true if we say we love God but are too fearful to trust him with our money they once again we are hypocrites. :-) EdB |
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227 | Is God subject to change? | Bible general Archive 2 | EdB | 102724 | ||
John As I said I believe God ordained the plan, the how that plan came about did so without God orchestrating it. God for me to believe God controls conflicts with everything we see in the Bible. The Bible is either God and man’s interaction with Him or it is play written by God where the characters performed exactly as God authored them. The Bible then becomes something other than it claims to be. It is not the revealing of God and the account of man written by man inspired by the Holy Spirit but rather a script authored by God where man is required to act each scene as God authored it. EdB |
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228 | Is God subject to change? | Bible general Archive 2 | EdB | 102727 | ||
John You actually know nothing of God's power you only know what YOU have described or prescribed His power to be. I have learned many times when we try to explain God to human reasoning we sadly miss the mark. John you build yourself one box after another trying to define God. It is like the old and convoluted reasoning. God can do anything, therefore can God create a rock so big He can't lift it? We all understand that to be nonsense and it is just as nonsensical to try to put human understanding to how God foreordained His plan. The very first failure we have in understanding this process, is we are limited by time. One second ago is past and for us can never be repeated. Also for us one second in future is not known to us and we can not know what lies ahead in it. Yet God is not confined by those two restrictions, time does not limit God, one second ago is just as current and just as real as one second in the future. And they both exist with the present with God. Right now God can see creation past, our present and the final tick of this old earth. He doesn't move back in time nor does He move ahead, God in fact is alive in our past and our future as He is in our present. How do we understand this and the many ramifications that concept contains? I have no idea! However you and a few others in an effort to explain God sovereignty seem to want to keep trying to explain it and I contend you nor anyone has any idea in this world how it really works. EdB |
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229 | Is God subject to change? | Bible general Archive 2 | EdB | 102747 | ||
C.H. Surgeon The point here is even Surgeon couldn't explain or define what was taking place. He sees two points of view that God choose to reveal however he does not offer an explaination of how they coincide. However I'm curious in this statement. "Now, if I were to declare that man was so free to act, that there was no presidence of God over his actions, I should be driven very near to Atheism;" Why would he feel that way? I certainly don't. He certainly refutes what you have so dogmatically proclaimed by saying, "and if, on the other hand, I declare that God so overrules all things, as that man is not free enough to be responsible, I am driven at once into Antinomianism or fatalism." This is exactly where I see your argument. Therefore John I'm not sure why you used this example other than confirm what I'm saying man simply can not explain God. EdB |
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230 | Is God subject to change? | Bible general Archive 2 | EdB | 102789 | ||
John "It is not a bad thing that we wrestle with one another over these great doctrines, for it forces us to prove our doctrines by diligent study of Holy Writ and prayer." Is that our purpose or is it to make disciples? The church for to long has been too busy perfecting it's doctrine while letting people go to hell. Foreordained has meaning to us only when we used it in reference to time. To us it means putting something in place in the past that comes to fruition in the future. However since God is not constrained by time tells us our definition can’t accurately describe the process that actually takes place. To God what we view as our past is just as present, just as current as is our present and so is our future. Time simply doesn’t exists. Therefore there is absolutely no way for us to understand what God does in the process, therefore trying to establish a meaningful doctrine based on a word that only approximates what really takes place is a prideful attempt of man to explain something God has not totally revealed. Besides the whole process is so minor when compared to what is so really important in our relationship with God that it is more or less a waste of time to even ponder the point. It is like trying to describe the Trinity we can’t, however we know it exists so we just accept it. God has clearly stated He will hold us responsible for our own actions however you describe them, therefore that tells me in God's eye we must have been the one that initiated them from our will. EdB |
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231 | PROVE ME: God's challenge to tithers | Bible general Archive 2 | EdB | 102951 | ||
capemimi The fact of the matter for a ministry to survive it must have money to operate. Too many people today feel no responsibility, no commitment and view it almost a badge of honor to get something for nothing. That is why in so many cases the church is unable to fully serve the community as God intended. Christians talk of brotherly love but few show it and therefore the government had to step in and handle the issues the church ought to be doing, caring for the sick and poor, the widows and children. Once the government got involved giving, backed off even more. In any case the church today is operating at reduced function because people refuse to pay for their seats. They will go to a ball game, show, or whatever and pay whatever is asked, but ask them to support a ministry and they start fighting kicking and screaming. Yelling most loudly they aren't under the law etc etc etc. However the principle of tithing started, it has basis, if everyone gave 10 percent the churches today would have enough to stand up to the problems that face our communities and society. Tithing was seen in the Old Testament long before the law as way to show honor, it was included in the law as a way to honor God and to support ministry. Jesus clearly said you ought to doing it (tithing), on the only occasion he ever talked about it. Matt 23:23. The principle of being blessed for giving to the Lord as revealed in Malachi 3 is still in effect today as many can and will testify. Yet we hold on to our money screaming we are not under the law etc etc etc. I tithe and more and I know what it has done in my life for me. I don’t do it under compulsion or duress but rather as an example given to me, to support what I hold worth of support. I know God has blessed me in many ways and I feel the blessing in my financial life is a direct result of my tithing. I was also taught by my parents you get what you pay for there are no free rides in life. I have learned in life the ones that protest the loudest are usually the ones that stand convicted of whatever they protest about. I know many many people that give generously to the church and I have never heard one of them argue you don’t have to give because tithing is under the law. In each case to a man they all support tithing. Then I look at the ones that argue endlessly that tithing is not for today, ALMOST to a man they are the ones that are less generous in their giving. You tell me where their heart is. There are many people that have starved their pastor and forced ministry out of existence and to them I say they will stand before God one day. I want to hear them so proudly and boldly proclaim then that they were no longer under the law, that they didn’t have to give, that they gave what their conscience lead them to give, etc etc etc. I have said probably more than I should on this subject and I have said all that I had to say. I say one last thing in parting, if you want to know financial freedom in your life, real freedom begin tithing if you haven't already and continue if you do, you will no longer be a slave to money. EdB |
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232 | about taking someone to court | Bible general Archive 2 | EdB | 103002 | ||
joel k What was the reason you were fired was it because you witnessed or was another reason given? If another reason was given did it have any merit at all? Many people get fired and refuse to accept the fact they didn't do what was required to keep the job. If you were doing a good job and had good evaluations and were still fired after witnessing then you may a have complaint. If you do then you need to let the man that owns the business have a chance to make things right. If he refuses then you I think your free to investigate legal action. But once again make sure the real reason for you being fired wasn't because of work issues. If you go to court and they can show you failed to perform as required by the company and they were justified firing you, you may end up with notoriety you don’t want and may have a very hard time finding another job. Be very careful! EdB |
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233 | A bible split up into separate volumes!! | Bible general Archive 2 | EdB | 103200 | ||
chris Did you do the search I told you to try? I did it again and there was an NIV and I personally used an NASB version about 5 years ago. Go to Google.com and search "loose leaf Bible" I found Amazon lists two one I suspect is KJV and the other is NASB I went to Amazon.com selected books and did a search "Loose leaf Bible" EdB |
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234 | Are we supposed to observe the Sabbath? | Bible general Archive 2 | EdB | 103446 | ||
Hank I think the problem is attitude. In my opinion Khuck by the tone and phrasing of the their posts presented themselves as an expert however the content of their post fails to support that. Searcher56 in this case made an attempt to point out one of many mistakes and Khuck responded with LOL, what are you doing following me around, keep it up I think it is hilarious. From there it went down hill. Khuck did a similar thing when CDBJ tried to correct another statement in another thread. While I wouldn't go so far as saying Khuck presented a different gospel, I think the way Khuck trivialize what Searcher56 and CDBJ said points to a problem attitude. I have wanted to jump into this discussion since Khuck posted but I saw the direction it was going and stayed out. I probably should have done that once again with this post. EdB |
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235 | Are we supposed to observe the Sabbath? | Bible general Archive 2 | EdB | 103448 | ||
Khuck I join with the others asking you to reconsider leaving the forum. Your choice of wording and use of the acronym LOL I think fueled the fire. It seemed to me that though your tone and phrasing you presented yourself as an expert. I know you humbly suggested otherwise. However when CDBJ and Searcher56 offered corrections to statements you had made, you then seemed to trivialize them by your comments and terms like; I think this is hilarious, get off my back, what are you following me around, LOL and etc. I think things went down hill from there. I would ask you to consider starting afresh and to give the forum another chance. Maybe as we get to know you better we can enjoy your sense of humor or maybe we will have an attitude change. EdB |
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236 | Are we supposed to observe the Sabbath? | Bible general Archive 2 | EdB | 103480 | ||
Aixen7z4 "One can also read in the statements a sense of befuddlement and amazement," I agree that is the sense the reader is left with after reading Khuck's remarks. Now the question becomes was Khuck really befuddled and amazed or did they attempt to appear that way to avoid accepting correction? To me it appears to be an attempt to trivialize what was said to them. Had Khuck only done it once I would agree it was a misunderstanding that blew into a firestorm, however Khuck used the tactic more than once. With nearly the same results. In any case I think Khuck should be given the benefit of the doubt and the whole thing dropped. I wish Khuck would consider coming back to the forum I for one think we need a clean slate. EdB |
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237 | Do you seek God before you post? | Bible general Archive 2 | EdB | 103739 | ||
Khuck I don't think Searcher responded to you because of what you said or didn't say but rather what you implied. To me the implication was you were weren't happy with answers to other threads you had received and was asking a sort of tongue in cheek question, "do any of you seek God before you answer?" If that wasn't the case I apologize but to me and in context with everything else that was going on with you and forum when you posted that question that is what I took out of it. My first thought was to respond back with Psalm 37:23 The steps of a good man are ordered by the Lord, And He delights in his way. I thought that was maybe inflammatory so I stayed out of it. However since you and Searcher are once again locked in a war of words I thought I would throw myself between you. EdB |
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238 | What month was Jesus born in? | Bible general Archive 2 | EdB | 103741 | ||
kathy The answer is very complex do a search on 'Google.com' for "September birth of Christ" You will find a lot of information there. Basically they all point back to such things as the need to fulfill various feasts, Rosh Hashanah and the Feast of Tabernacles both of which fall in Sept time frame. Secular history on the time of ordered census. Astronomical records pointing to known phenomena in the stars that might have lead the Magi. The need to have Jesus’ at entrance of Jerusalem for what we call Palm Sunday as prophesied by Daniel Remember however these are only opinions and guessimates Scripture does not give an exact date. EdB |
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239 | Do you seek God before you post? | Bible general Archive 2 | EdB | 103744 | ||
Khack "Think of me in the most simplistic sense, I am not complicated or deep." Then I guess you expect people to respond to your original question, "Do you seek God before you post?" with an honest answer. Like "No! I haven't talked to God in months why would I consider asking for His leadership before responding on this Bible forum." Come on Kathy nobody is that simplistic, to ask such a question and expect an honest answer! If you didn't have a motive or weren't trying to make a statement then... Well let's just say I'm sorry for you. However your posts don’t match that, so I think your far more complex and far more probing than you let on. You protest a little too much and are way too humble. Personally I think you like playing briar rabbit. I may have terribly misjudged and if I have I once again apologize, but you seem to have a way of stirring up emotions that I care not visit. However intend to stand back and watch. Jesus said you will know them by their fruits. EdB |
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240 | Do you seek God before you post? | Bible general Archive 2 | EdB | 103761 | ||
KHUCK Yes absolutely it was a typo. LOFL As to your question I would hope everyone would seek God's leadership and direction before they ever attempted to post. However I'm sure that is not always the case. :-) I did not apologize for my opinion of you I apologized if I misjudged you. I never expressed my opinion just gave some observations. :-) Like you I hold you no ill will, although I wish you would stop using some many web acronyms.:-) To me they are like saying “uh” or “you know”, but that is just me and everyone knows I’m an old fudder dudder. LoL EdB |
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